Little bit of ASA good news, very little, but something

[Sinca3]

Liberia and Guatamala will be handled by Mainline 737s

Yep.....but it still isn´t up!

 

[atrdriver]

P.S. Can you imagine if Delta got bought and the acquiring company decided not to merge their pilots? You think ALPA would sit around and watch their flying get transferred? Could be, after all ASA and Comair got bought and ALPA (as a result of the Delta pilots desires) allowed the lists to remain separate and flying is getting transferred. There are E170's parked wingtip to wingtip to 737's with non ALPA pilots at the controls. Who knows why ALPA continues down this road....

Yeah, I can imagine it. It happened at TWA, trying to get the APA pilots back into ALPA. The TWA guys got screwed, and they STILL didn't get the APA guys back.

 

[USCtrojan]

Mexico flying sched

LAX-La Paz... 11:05a-2:05p
La Paz-LAX....3:20p-4:40p

LAX-Loreto... 11:10a-2:00p
Loreto-LAX.....3:40p-4:45p

LAX-Culiacan...11:00a-2:10p
Culiacan-LAX...3:20p-4:50p

LAX-Mazatlan...10:50a-2:20p
Mazatlan-LAX...3:10p-5:00p

LAX-Zacatecas (CR7) (this is what it said, looks mistaken) 1:00a-5:50a
Zacatecas-LAX...9:00a-10:10a

LAX-Manzanillo (CR7)...11:00a-4:15p
Manzanillo-LAX....5:05p-6:35p

LAX-Hermosillo...11:15a-1:55p
Hermosillo-LAX...3:45p-4:30p

LAX-Torreon...10:50a-2:15p
Torreon-LAX...3:05p-4:55p

LAX-LAS...7:30A-8:35A
...............6:05p-7:10p

LAS-LAX...9:05a-10:15a
...............7:40p-8:50p

LAX-SFO...7:00a-8:20a
...............6:05p-7:25p

SFO-LAX...8:50a-10:10a
...............7:55p-9:15p

LAX-SMF...7:00a-8:25a
...............6:00p-7:25p

SMF-LAX...8:55a-10:20a
..............7:55p-9:20p

LAX-SJC...7:10a-8:23a
..............6:00p-7:13p

SJC-LAX...8:55a-10:13a
.............7:45p-9:03p

LAX-OAK...7:10a-8:25a
...............6:10p-7:25p

OAK-LAX...8:55a-10:10a
..............7:55p-9:10p

There ya have it. Liberia and Guatamala City not up yet. Cheers.

Trojan

Just wanted to repost the data for ASA LAX routes.

Trojan

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

strange...this sounds familiar

Let your reps. know you want a single list. It must be priority #1. It will cost us in terms of other things we want, but it is necessary to prevent a transfer of assets.

I SINCERELY wish you guys well in your fight for a fair contract. Not my fight, but I agree with you that ONE LIST should be priority #1.

Spiff

 

[Tomct]

I know that there are some guys/gals over at Skywst that are trying to get ALPA on property, but I think the "Newbies" with SJS and a quick upgrade are going to be a problem! This company can Kiss my @ss! I can't WAIT to move on.....Desperately trying to LEAVE!

 

[ASADriver]

I know that there are some guys/gals over at Skywst that are trying to get ALPA on property, but I think the "Newbies" with SJS and a quick upgrade are going to be a problem! This company can Kiss my @ss! I can't WAIT to move on.....Desperately trying to LEAVE!

Many of us can't wait for you to leave! Here's to hoping you get your wish - we don't need your type here. Hopefully you will get out soon.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Many of us can't wait for you to leave! Here's to hoping you get your wish - we don't need your type here. Hopefully you will get out soon.

Piss off Chuckie. Go back to your office and shut the door while you guys have lunch, allowing a 10 pilot deep line to form outside your door. God how I miss the days when we had real Chief Pilots.....J.A., D.H., D.C. (ret...) PLEASE GOD come back..........

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Piss off Chuckie. Go back to your office and shut the door while you guys have lunch, allowing a 10 pilot deep line to form outside your door. God how I miss the days when we had real Chief Pilots.....J.A., D.H., D.C. (ret...) PLEASE GOD come back..........

I second that C V is a tool and needs to sent back to the line -preferably fired!

 

[Tomct]

Many of us can't wait for you to leave! Here's to hoping you get your wish - we don't need your type here. Hopefully you will get out soon.

Yeah @ssdriver and that 737type is for what? Trust me, YOU are NOT their type!!! I can't wait to get away from "spineless" dirtbags like yourself!

 

[FDJ2]

Let your reps. know you want a single list. It must be priority #1. It will cost us in terms of other things we want, but it is necessary to prevent a transfer of assets.

Have you filed a PID yet?

 

[FDJ2]

. Can you imagine if Delta got bought and the acquiring company decided not to merge their pilots?..

Hmmmm, that all depends on what's in the respective PWAs. I suspect your scenario would trigger the merger/fragmentation language in the DAL PWA.

 

[FDJ2]

Yeah! That merger thing worked out great for TWA pilots at American.

That just goes to show you what happens when you sign away your merger/fragmentation protections.

 

[jea]

The only way one list is going to happen is if SkyWest first votes ALPA (removing downside risk for the union) .

The only way to force the issue is to toss ALPA and try it on our own. ALPA is not going to respond to what the members at ASA want - their stubborn refusal to adopt a brand scope solution, or accept the RJDC's reforms indicate their strong political will in the face of over whelming evidence of their erroneous path.

So we are stuck with the devil we know, or the devil we don't know. Without ALPA we would never be able to fund or fight a single list battle. So our only reasonable choice is to support ALPA, try our best to not step on the Delta pilots' politics or sensitivities and support our local Representatives who have our best interests at heart.

At the same time we should continue to fight ALPA in Court to force the issue of our representation. We need both internal cooperation and external force to obtain representation for ASA's pilots.

Regards,
~~~^~~~

...

You guys really give them money? and you really think we want them at Skywest? WOW!!!!!

Also- are you guys paying your court costs to fight alpa for your representation? which you are paying alpa to fight you on? how retarded is that? liberals!! i want this!! i want that!!! its not fair!!!- get over it and quit complaining- that was the 3rd grade- this is competitive business.

 

[Tomct]

You guys really give them money? and you really think we want them at Skywest? WOW!!!!!

Also- are you guys paying your court costs to fight alpa for your representation? which you are paying alpa to fight you on? how retarded is that? liberals!! i want this!! i want that!!! its not fair!!!- get over it and quit complaining- that was the 3rd grade- this is competitive business.

Spoken like a true "Arm Chair QB!"

 

[jea]

Spoken like a true "Arm Chair QB!"

I do find it interesting how you alpa fire breathers go off all the time about non union airlines then when you get stumped you just revert to name calling- I used to fly for an alpa airline- it sucked- I feel for you my friend

 

[rtmcfi]

I do find it interesting how you alpa fire breathers go off all the time about non union airlines then when you get stumped you just revert to name calling- I used to fly for an alpa airline- it sucked- I feel for you my friend

Care to share what airline that was? Starts with an "M" perhaps? Were you surprised it sucked when you got there? Do you think it would have been better without ALPA?

 

[Tomct]

I do find it interesting how you alpa fire breathers go off all the time about non union airlines then when you get stumped you just revert to name calling- I used to fly for an alpa airline- it sucked- I feel for you my friend

Your right Jea, we should be "Oh So Thankful" for the Non-Union pilots....right? Guys happy to be in a "Shinny New Jet" because it is better than being a CFI! The really sad part is that due to the new pilots "ignorance,"in the industry, they continue to do only damage to the current pilot groups trying to make a descent living. If companies can continue to whipsaw and impose poor payscales that cuts the legs out from underneath the Union carriers. NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS FOR ANYONE!!!! I mean, when times were good it was the non-union companies that kept pushing the bar higher and higher....RIIIIIGHT?(Sarcasm) I don't know where you worked prior to your new employment, but you must not have been very involved with things! YOUR LOSS!!

 

[Tomct]

Care to share what airline that was? Starts with an "M" perhaps? Were you surprised it sucked when you got there? Do you think it would have been better without ALPA?

rtmcfi, he does'nt want to do that. It would show how little he knew about his company and that he was most likely a SJS guy!

 

[jea]

rtmcfi, he does'nt want to do that. It would show how little he knew about his company and that he was most likely a SJS guy!

nothing to hide- it was mesa- about 3 years ago or so-I had about 2800 hours back then and I have a home there so it made sense. Prior to that I instructed for a few years. Ive even done some contract work for the FAA, flown IFR single pilot 135- ive been around awhile- Skywest (in my opinion) has always been the best option- for these reasons-non union, very stable financially, i like the bases and a bunch of great co-workers. Im not a union guy- I even opted out of the union at mesa- but still paid them my dues cause that was the game. I work for my living.
Maybe you can join in. We are hiring you know.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Care to share what airline that was? Starts with an "M" perhaps? Were you surprised it sucked when you got there? Do you think it would have been better without ALPA?

Who'd a thunk it....you were right, and now we're lucky enough to have him.

 

[Tomct]

nothing to hide- it was mesa- about 3 years ago or so-I had about 2800 hours back then and I have a home there so it made sense. Prior to that I instructed for a few years. Ive even done some contract work for the FAA, flown IFR single pilot 135- ive been around awhile- Skywest (in my opinion) has always been the best option- for these reasons-non union, very stable financially, i like the bases and a bunch of great co-workers. Im not a union guy- I even opted out of the union at mesa- but still paid them my dues cause that was the game. I work for my living.
Maybe you can join in. We are hiring you know.

Yeah....Uh.....NO! I LIKE having a say in what my pilot group does, and what my company CAN'T DO!

 

[rtmcfi]

nothing to hide- it was mesa- about 3 years ago or so-I had about 2800 hours back then and I have a home there so it made sense. Prior to that I instructed for a few years. Ive even done some contract work for the FAA, flown IFR single pilot 135- ive been around awhile- Skywest (in my opinion) has always been the best option- for these reasons-non union, very stable financially, i like the bases and a bunch of great co-workers. Im not a union guy- I even opted out of the union at mesa- but still paid them my dues cause that was the game. I work for my living.
Maybe you can join in. We are hiring you know.

Living in base, or getting a couple of months 121 time so you could move on are probably the only good reasons to go to that place. That said, do you think Mesa would be a better place without ALPA? If I join SkyWest, will I get to vote on ALPA representation?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I've been calling for it since Jerry bought you guys. Don't know what we can do to facilitate it, though.


AF

I know you have. I was referring to our reps. Some of our guys don't think a single list is worth buying. I think that is a mistake in the long run. You aren't doing SLC-LWS tomorrow by any chance? Going out there to fly 1500K back to WVI.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joey,

As you well know, one list would cost you a 15 year contract with subpar pay and benefits! Just ask the Eagle pilots! That would make you an indentured servant for most of your remaining career. Then you would have something else to complain about. Let me see.........No, Thanks! If management wants one company, they will do it anyway! If they don't want it, you don't have enough capital to buy it.

Speedtape,

One way or the other, we will pay for it. If you don't secure SKYW Inc. scope, we will lose flying and probably won't make it 15 years. You are making the same mistake that ALPA has been making for 25 years now....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Another thought:

Had ASA and Comair achieved one list, where would that have put us today?

I'll take my chances with two lists. If Big D stays in business, ASA is guaranteed an existence as long as there is a Big D and an ATL!

How about if ASA/CMR/DAL had achieved a single list with scope that prevented anyone else from doing DAL domestic flying? Where would that have put all of us?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Have you filed a PID yet?

You know better than that FDJ2. A PID is an ALPA merger policy step. SKYW isn't ALPA, so a filing a PID won't accomplish anything. Having said that, our MEC is listening to ALPA national and they don't want a single list until Skywest votes in ALPA.

 

[FDJ2]

You know better than that FDJ2. A PID is an ALPA merger policy step. SKYW isn't ALPA.

But ASA is, so where is the PID, or is filing one premature without an actual merger? I mean aren't you at least operationally integrated?

 

[Bizjet]

How about if ASA/CMR/DAL had achieved a single list with scope that prevented anyone else from doing DAL domestic flying? Where would that have put all of us?

The only reason we didn't get a favorable ruling on the PID and all inclusive in house scope was because ASA ALPA and Comair ALPA refused to accept the deal because you and Dan F. would have been exempted from inclusion. See Joey that is real trade unionism. That is the rumor as it was told to me. LOL

Hey when are you going to return those LEC Minutes you stole from the LEC meeting 18 months ago?? Where would that have put all of us that have been looking for them for the last year and a half? Inquiring minds want to know Joey????

 

[Bizjet]

You know better than that FDJ2. A PID is an ALPA merger policy step. SKYW isn't ALPA, so a filing a PID won't accomplish anything. Having said that, our MEC is listening to ALPA national and they don't want a single list until Skywest votes in ALPA.

Our MEC has not said they don't want a single list until Skywest votes in ALPA. That is just your stretch. You think that everyone on this board who is pro ALPA is a member of the MEC. If you had a relationship with anyone on the MEC you would not be afraid of asking them their opinion instead of making up your own facts. We all know that your facts are fabricated nightly in the Joey Spin and Lie Room at the G.O.

By the way Joey, do you know what happened to those LEC Minutes that you took from the meeting 18 months ago and refused to return? Maybe give up one night of drinking and look for those minutes. Or if you are crawling around late one night maybe you could look under some furniture and see if you can find them.:laugh:

 

[ArcticFlier]

You aren't doing SLC-LWS tomorrow by any chance? Going out there to fly 1500K back to WVI.

Nope. As you know by now. I'm mostly west coast this month. I'm in SJC Tuesday night late and Wednesday until midafternoon. You going to be around the Bay Area?

What was 1500K doing in LWS?


AF