Link to ExpressJet TA

[Oakum_Boy]

Notice when block time begins ends..

 

[79%N1]

ASA side gets hosed on out times. Not until aircraft movement. The erj side is door closure like Asa was before. Why the difference?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

We also get blocked in for pay when the a/c stops. Wherever that may be...

 

[IFLYASA]

ASA side gets hosed on out times. Not until aircraft movement. The erj side is door closure like Asa was before. Why the difference?

How will they monitor aircraft movement? Sensors on the wheels?

 

[bigshooter107]

Block out begins when wheels roll... That will be great for on time performance.. Kiss my arse..this TA will fail big time..

 

[bigshooter107]

How will they monitor aircraft movement? Sensors on the wheels?

ACARS has that ability

 

[goahead]

Wassup with the 100 pages in there for the Sim guys, the other guys (OE) have like one and a half.....

That block out/in procedure it totally fuked up, Nope

 

[centralpilot]

ASA side gets hosed on out times. Not until aircraft movement. The erj side is door closure like Asa was before. Why the difference?

Same language as our current contract.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Care to explain why the difference between ERJ and CRJ fleets?

 

[wms]

Sealed my vote. NO!

 

[JoeMerchant]

You guys do realize that block out/in language is current book....In other words it doesn't matter if the TA passes...Either way that is the language.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Yes, it is current ASA book but now it is more defined in the new CBA thus making it more enforceable.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

You guys do realize that block out/in language is current book....In other words it doesn't matter if the TA passes...Either way that is the language.

You cannot deny that this was moved from 'Definitions' section to 'Compensation'

1. The ERJ ACARS cannot distinguish wheel movement

2. The company intends to enforce for pay purposes

3. The company wanted to throw the ERJ pilots a bone

4. Choices 2 and 3 are correct

The mainline partner CPA defines what is block-out and block-in in terms of tracking. I wouldn't be surprised if the company going forward intends to pay only when the airplane is moving.

One could very well end up losing many, many hours of pay over the course of a year waiting for a gate on the "ramp" after the airplane has come to "rest".

Book or not, it needs getting to the bottom of. Thanks John, but we can read.

 

[goahead]

New work rules are gonna be financially deadly without the duty rig I think

 

[jetRAT]

Ummmm, fuuck NO! I promise not one single flight on my next three day will be on time....not even the freedom leg.

Yeah, cause that'll show em! A simple NO vote should suffice. Don't even think about screwing with my $62 performance+ check!