Link to ExpressJet TA

[COOPERVANE]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By1M6k3qwuPhYXZjWC16dU00Y1E/preview

No.....Unfortunately its NOT a cruel joke

 

[centralpilot]

Just note that it is clearly a draft copy. There are plenty of errors, missing references, etc. The content is most likely accurate though. Anyone expecting significant improvements was delusional. Read the final draft thoroughly, listen to the roadshows with healthy skepticism, and then vote the way you feel is best.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

How big are in raises in terms of a %?

 

[centralpilot]

How big are in raises in terms of a %?

On a quick glance at my personal situation, 0% at signing and 1% every 18 months thereafter, provided I'm not on a 51+ seater and the 51+ seat fleet size is over a certain threshold. In that case the 1% raises don't happen.

 

[JustaNumber]

Are you sure you didn't accidentally post the current contract? Because I haven't seen any improvements yet...

 

[Dannone]

When does 4th week of vacation kick in? Trying to compare the whole vacation thing. Also is sick time personal time too?

 

[Medeco]

Regarding improvement to reserve life, ahh nada? Am I reading this wrong or is this a step backward? No loose language there!

All days off should be immovable unless you pay on top of MMG!


The first, largest set of days off, on the reserve pilot's line will be designated as immoveable unless the pilot notifies Crew Scheduling otherwise by 2359 ET on the first day of the bid period. If there are no groups of 3 days or more, a pilot may select two groups of days

 

[wrightbros]

When does 4th week of vacation kick in? Trying to compare the whole vacation thing. Also is sick time personal time too?

You are joking right? Not even close lol

 

[Medeco]

I'm not about to be tied to this contract until 2019 and longer. I'm almost thinking the CNC either got brainwashed by the company lawyers OR they knew this would never fly and reached a point where they decided to negotiate in good faith to hurry the process so we could vote a big NO. Back to the drawing board boys! Wait for new rest rules to set in and the wave of pilots to move out.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Fourth week of vacation occurs at 10 years instead of 15 and the vacation pay is up to 3.75 instead of 3.50. Those are the only improvements I've seen so far.
Oh, you are now pay protected for your 4 moving days, but how often do we use those?

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Fourth week of vacation occurs at 10 years instead of 15 and the vacation pay is up to 3.75 instead of 3.50. Those are the only improvements I've seen so far.

Those are NOT improvements for legacy XJT you tool.

 

[Dannone]

Not joking just trying to look at everything. I thought xjt had personal time. If the two groups didn't hate each other before I am sure they will now. It seems pay rates suck for both but some improvements for Asa while xjt gets hosed. Don't really see how their mec would go for this. We need to stick together. This is a total divide and conquer effort and as usual the union walked us right into it. Pilots will vote for what's best for themselves but isn't the union supposed to look out for all of us??

 

[ohplease!]

Ummmm, fuuck NO! I promise not one single flight on my next three day will be on time....not even the freedom leg.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I'm a BIG NO voter without factoring in the LXJT guys.

But I still say NO if it isn't an improvement for ALL OF US INCLUDING LXJT

Lets send this turd back and say "WRONG....do it again"

Time is on OUR side

 

[IFLYASA]

No raise till 2015. Vacation low is 65 credits. Looks like captains can be junior manned into the right seat again.. Don't pay your association dues and you will be terminated.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Notice when block time begins ends..

 

[79%N1]

ASA side gets hosed on out times. Not until aircraft movement. The erj side is door closure like Asa was before. Why the difference?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

We also get blocked in for pay when the a/c stops. Wherever that may be...

 

[IFLYASA]

ASA side gets hosed on out times. Not until aircraft movement. The erj side is door closure like Asa was before. Why the difference?

How will they monitor aircraft movement? Sensors on the wheels?

 

[bigshooter107]

Block out begins when wheels roll... That will be great for on time performance.. Kiss my arse..this TA will fail big time..

 

[bigshooter107]

How will they monitor aircraft movement? Sensors on the wheels?

ACARS has that ability

 

[goahead]

Wassup with the 100 pages in there for the Sim guys, the other guys (OE) have like one and a half.....

That block out/in procedure it totally fuked up, Nope

 

[centralpilot]

ASA side gets hosed on out times. Not until aircraft movement. The erj side is door closure like Asa was before. Why the difference?

Same language as our current contract.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Care to explain why the difference between ERJ and CRJ fleets?

 

[wms]

Sealed my vote. NO!

 

[JoeMerchant]

You guys do realize that block out/in language is current book....In other words it doesn't matter if the TA passes...Either way that is the language.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Yes, it is current ASA book but now it is more defined in the new CBA thus making it more enforceable.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

You guys do realize that block out/in language is current book....In other words it doesn't matter if the TA passes...Either way that is the language.

You cannot deny that this was moved from 'Definitions' section to 'Compensation'

1. The ERJ ACARS cannot distinguish wheel movement

2. The company intends to enforce for pay purposes

3. The company wanted to throw the ERJ pilots a bone

4. Choices 2 and 3 are correct

The mainline partner CPA defines what is block-out and block-in in terms of tracking. I wouldn't be surprised if the company going forward intends to pay only when the airplane is moving.

One could very well end up losing many, many hours of pay over the course of a year waiting for a gate on the "ramp" after the airplane has come to "rest".

Book or not, it needs getting to the bottom of. Thanks John, but we can read.

 

[goahead]

New work rules are gonna be financially deadly without the duty rig I think

 

[jetRAT]

Ummmm, fuuck NO! I promise not one single flight on my next three day will be on time....not even the freedom leg.

Yeah, cause that'll show em! A simple NO vote should suffice. Don't even think about screwing with my $62 performance+ check!