Let's say you had a giant treadmill with an airplane on it

[PCL_128]

dumbass

Yes. Yes you are.

The airplane takes off. Period.

 

[belchfire]

I mean, really this is common sense. It's just like you running on a treadmill.


Imagine standing on the wing of this airplane. Engines spool up, wheels start rolling forward.

BUT, the treadmill goes in the opposite direction, exactly countering the wheel motion forward. And at takeoff thrust, the treadmill still goes fast enough to keep the aircraft from rolling forward.

You, standing on the wing, won't feel a thing. No wind flowing over/under the wing.

Imagine standing on the shoulders of a guy running full speed on a treadmill.

You won't feel any wind in your face.... since you have no forward motion relative to some point on earth besides the treadmill.

Why do airplanes have wheels Einstein?

So mx doesn't have to re-skin the belly every time the ham-fisted sky monkeys land.

Are those wheels powered?

(I won't answer that-you have to figure it out)

What does the powerplant of an aircraft push against?

(I don't give a flying frack at a rolling douhnut if it burns gas or kerosene-it doesn't matter)

Have you ever seen a floatplane take off going upstream on a river? Yeah, they get into the air just fine. Takes a little longer but they do just fine.

Now I want you to go to the gym and do an experiment. Not really, since you are obviously not an expert you shouldn't do this. Not at home or in someone else's gym. In fact, the illustration that follows is just that...an illustration. Do not do it. IMHO You shouldn't even be out in public unsupervised!

Get on your tread mill and crank the speed up just as fast as you can run. Then grab ahold on the pedistal that has the odometer and heart rate thingy on it. Run like a hamster on a wheel untill you are starting to get your runner's high...
then with both arms pull on the pedistal as suddenly and violently as you can!

did you move???

Do you have any contusions or lacerations? Bruises? Well, have a shot of tequilla and consider yourself lucky to be alive!

(surely no-one here is dense enough to do this!)

Again, do not try this at home...you are not an expert and you don't know what you are doing...clearly and above all else you know not what you are doing.

I'm surprised some of you can get to the airport alive...let alone find your way back to your computers! Did you all go to embry riddle or Purdue?

hehehehehe...

 

[fartknocker]

Yes. Yes you are.

The airplane takes off. Period.

Where's mythbusters when you need 'em?

 

[flyinhigh6165]

Went to the library and researched this for hours..

According to my calculations...using the formula V/Cl x V(t) + Treadmill speed/s x 3.14+ Gravity= your answer. Yup time to crack open another one.....F_UCK IT

 

[belchfire]

If I'm flying a plane with 1000lb of Canaries, and they all get loose and are flying around inside the aircraft, does my gross weight decrese by 1000lb?

Only if they get blown through the outflow valve. Or would they get sucked out the outflow valve???

hehehehehehe...

 

[PCL_128]

Where's mythbusters when you need 'em?

They were already asked to look at this myth, and they refused because they said any moron could understand that the plane would takeoff without a demonstration.

 

[FR8mastr]

another way to look at is an airboat in a river. The thrust of the airboat is from an airplane propeller.

Aim the airboat up river and give her all she's got. If the river keeps accelerating downstream as you speed up going upstream. Will you move?

If the top end of the airboat is 100kts, and the river is flowing at 100 kts the other way, will you have moved past the dock you just left on the shoreline?

 

[fartknocker]

They were already asked to look at this myth, and they refused because they said any moron could understand that the plane would takeoff without a demonstration.

Instead of calling others names, you are now resorting to self incrimination??

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I am jumping in here a little late, but the folks saying the airplane will fly, just exactly what is the takeoff path going to look like? Straight up like a UFO, or regular-like.

 

[GuppyWN]

I can't tell who's funnier. The guys lobbing in the sarcasm or the people who are legitimately arguing the point of this sillyness.

Gup

 

[Stifler's Mom]

More importantly, can you log treadmill time as PIC?

PS I'm bringing a model airplane to the gym tomorrow. I need to know.

 

[mrnolmts]

Why on earth are we discussing this one again??? And FS, I thought you were smarter than this
You guys are thinking as if the engine produces forward motion via the wheels. The wheels are only there to make it easier for the engine and propeller to pull the airplane on the ground, guys... Well, and for somewhat smoother landings, I guess...
Look at it this way (using a small SE prop for ease of understanding):

You are standing in front of the airplane, holding it by the propeller blades. YES, the engine is off!!! Wheels are on a threadmill, brakes released. And yes, YOU are standing on solid ground.
The threadmill starts up, slowly at first, then faster and faster. Initially, you'll feel a tug, as the wheels start spinning, but you'll find that it's actually not that hard keeping the airplane still as the wheels go faster and faster. Yes, I know, eventually you'll get to the point that you can't hold it any longer, but that is at a much higher wheelspeed than you apparently think.
Now realize how much more pulling power that engine and propeller has. It'll easily overcome the small amount of friction the threadmill is exerting on the wheels. Thus, the airplane will move forward on the threadmill, and it will become airborne at normal indicated airspeed. TIRE speed will be way higher than normal, but assuming the tires will withstand those speeds, the airplane will be airborne LONG before the friction from the threadmill is at the point of countering thrust.

 

[G2T]

dumbass

Thanks for that very informative and mature response to my post. That makes me think very highly of yourself and your opinion.

 

[Flyer1015]

Why do airplanes have wheels Einstein?

So mx doesn't have to re-skin the belly every time the ham-fisted sky monkeys land.

Are those wheels powered?

(I won't answer that-you have to figure it out)

What does the powerplant of an aircraft push against?

(I don't give a flying frack at a rolling douhnut if it burns gas or kerosene-it doesn't matter)

Have you ever seen a floatplane take off going upstream on a river? Yeah, they get into the air just fine. Takes a little longer but they do just fine.

Now I want you to go to the gym and do an experiment. Not really, since you are obviously not an expert you shouldn't do this. Not at home or in someone else's gym. In fact, the illustration that follows is just that...an illustration. Do not do it. IMHO You shouldn't even be out in public unsupervised!

Get on your tread mill and crank the speed up just as fast as you can run. Then grab ahold on the pedistal that has the odometer and heart rate thingy on it. Run like a hamster on a wheel untill you are starting to get your runner's high...
then with both arms pull on the pedistal as suddenly and violently as you can!

did you move???

Do you have any contusions or lacerations? Bruises? Well, have a shot of tequilla and consider yourself lucky to be alive!

(surely no-one here is dense enough to do this!)

Again, do not try this at home...you are not an expert and you don't know what you are doing...clearly and above all else you know not what you are doing.

I'm surprised some of you can get to the airport alive...let alone find your way back to your computers! Did you all go to embry riddle or Purdue?

hehehehehe...

belchfire, don't bother. I already posted what is the 'correct' answer to this whole thing.


It's the ask the pilot column on salon.com , just backtrack and find the link I posted.

 

[belchfire]

I can't tell who's funnier. The guys lobbing in the sarcasm or the people who are legitimately arguing the point of this sillyness.

Gup

How about a helicopter. Some of them have wheels...

hehehehe...