Let's say you had a giant treadmill with an airplane on it

[ImbracableCrunk]

I don't get it. How is a treadmill supposed to take off?

 

[Flying Illini]

Ok, look at it this way:

If you are holding a paper airplane and you are running down the street, if you are running fast enough when you let go (don't throw it, just let go) the plane will fly.
Now, if you're on a treadmill (or some frictionless surface) and running at the same speed, no forward motion, and you let go of the same airplane, it will fall straight to the ground.

 

[Almerick07]

go set your treadmill at its highest speed and jump on it....you will fly backwards, its pretty funny to watch. but seriously go run on a treadmill at any speed you wish get off and see if you went anywhere.....

 

[PCL_128]

seriously, don't get involved beyond ridicule.

I just can't help it. This is just beyond idiocy.

"Just when I thought I was out, the puuuuuulllll me back in!"

 

[FR8mastr]

And that might actually be relevant if an airplane produced forward thrust through its wheels instead of a prop/jet.

I guess your correct if we are talking about a 3 thousand foot long treadmill.

 

[PCL_128]

I guess your correct if we are talking about a 3 thousand foot long treadmill.

That's exactly what we're talking about. From the original post:

"Let's say you had a giant treadmill with an airplane on it."

 

[Flysher]

the plane will fly. the prop will pull it along the treadmill and create the relative wind required to takeoff. the wheels have nothing to do with it, they will just be spinning faster at rotation.

 

[regionaltard]

So, you will not takeoff.

BZZZZZT! Thanks for playing.

 

[Flyer1015]

Deleted.

I realize it was rather rude.

 

[Flyer1015]

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[G2T]

What proof do you have, Mr. RegionalTard?



Hmmm, I think your screenname here speaks for itself... at least the last four letters do.

Hey, no need to get nasty just because you are wrong!

The speed of the treadmill and the speed of the aircraft's wheels have nothing to do with it's airspeed. A plane moves due to thrust created from a prop or jet, totally independent from the ground. Where is the airspeed taken from? It's not from the wheels like a car, it is from a pitot tube. It will take off.

(I can't believe I even got involved in this one)

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

This is still going?

I'm still looking?

Must . . . poke. . . .eyes. . . out. . . .

 

[Flyer1015]

Ok, fine, take this thread in a new direction.


Can I log airplane treadmill time as PIC?

 

[30West]

If I'm flying a plane with 1000lb of Canaries, and they all get loose and are flying around inside the aircraft, does my gross weight decrese by 1000lb?

 

[Flyer1015]

If I'm flying a plane with 1000lb of Canaries, and they all get loose and are flying around inside the aircraft, does my gross weight decrese by 1000lb?

So as long as you ignore Newton's third law, then yes, your gross weight decreases

 

[fartknocker]

Hey, no need to get nasty just because you are wrong!

The speed of the treadmill and the speed of the aircraft's wheels have nothing to do with it's airspeed. A plane moves due to thrust created from a prop or jet, totally independent from the ground. Where is the airspeed taken from? It's not from the wheels like a car, it is from a pitot tube. It will take off.

(I can't believe I even got involved in this one)

You are incorrect.

Airspeed is taken from a pitot tube. When a pitot tube is not moving through the air, the airspeed would read zero.

This would be the case with a stationary plane on a moving treadmill. Even though the wheels would be moving, the airplane itself, which the pitot tube is attached to, would not be moving.

Because the airspeed will read zero, the airplane will not takeoff.

 

[Herman Bloom]

You are incorrect.

Airspeed is taken from a pitot tube. When a pitot tube is not moving through the air, the airspeed would read zero.

This would be the case with a stationary plane on a moving treadmill. Even though the wheels would be moving, the airplane itself, which the pitot tube is attached to, would not be moving.

Because the airspeed will read zero, the airplane will not takeoff.Today 01:47

I love it when a person demonstrates publicly that they are....not smart.
Think harder next time.

 

[homerjdispatch]

If a tree falls on a mime in the forest, does anyone really care?

 

[30West]

If I melt dry ice, can I swim without getting wet?

 

[fartknocker]

I love it when a person demonstrates publicly that they are....not smart.
Think harder next time.

I don't have to think too hard on this one. It's quite simple. No airflow, no airspeed. No airspeed, no takeoff.

 

[PCL_128]

I don't have to think too hard on this one. It's quite simple. No airflow, no airspeed. No airspeed, no takeoff.

And I just lost a lot of confidence in the FedEx screening process.

 

[fartknocker]

And I just lost a lot of confidence in the FedEx screening process.

This was one of the interview questions. I had my treadmill, and model airplane all ready to go. I proved it right there in the interview. They were amazed!!

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Maybe I am an idiot, but I think it sounds fairly simple.

I run on treadmill I don't go anywhere.

I don't produce any relative wind. ie wind in my face.

I learned very early on that I needed some airflow over the wing to make it work, measured by the pitot tube, which would be reading zero. So no lift.

My airplane on a tread mill still isn't going anywhere, just like me when I run.

So how about you geniuses that seem to have this all figured out please explain.

Because, like I said I might be an idiot, but someone will have to show me. Maybe with whiteboard or a powerpoint presentation

 

[fartknocker]

FlyinScotsman,

Yep, me too.

 

[FlyinScotsman]

maybe, we need one of those PFT geniuses or one of those who log PIC time as an FO.

I bet they have got this all figured out!!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

There are to different thought processes going on in this thread.
1. The plane remains stationary and doesn't take off
2. The plane provides enough force to accelerate down the belt and take off.

I think the way the question is worded, it pertains to #1. However, based on a certain set of conditions #2 is possible, however the question is incomplete to answer that.

 

[fartknocker]

YourPilotFriend,

I read the question to mean that the plane was stationary. Based on this, the plane would not take off.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Picture yourself on the treadmill wearing rollerskates. You hold a rope in your hand that is secured to a building far in front of you. The treadmill is moving at 5 mph and you pull on the rope. Would you move forward? Yeeeeeesssss!What if you pulled at 60 kts? Think of the propeller thrust as the rope as you pull. You would have a helluva wheel speed at takoff though!!

12 shots of tequila

 

[FlyinScotsman]

I thought I would dust off this old gem to kill the PIC thread.

Let's say you had a giant treadmill with an airplane on it.

As you add power and begin to move for the takoff roll, the treadmill speeds up and keeps the plane in the same relative position. As the plane goes faster, the treadmill speeds up, always maintaining the aircraft's relative position.

Would you ever be able to take off?

GO!!

I can't believe I am getting sucked into this.


As stated above the airplane stays on the treadmill and remains in the "same relative position" So, I assume, that the treadmill is not allowing the airplane to get any friction and actually move forward.

Once again......... no movement......no airflow..........no flight.


I am such a sucker, I know........I know..........

 

[Flyer1015]

There are to different thought processes going on in this thread.
1. The plane remains stationary and doesn't take off
2. The plane provides enough force to accelerate down the belt and take off.

I think the way the question is worded, it pertains to #1. However, based on a certain set of conditions #2 is possible, however the question is incomplete to answer that.

EXACTLY!!!


I think everyone is right... it depends which case you're referring to.

Case #1 or Case #2