Lear 45 "bat outta hell" departure at KAUS

[501261]

G200, LR25D with 1200 lbs of fuel, two pilots, 3000 to FL310 in 2:58. I'm not bragging, cause I think Lears suck, but I witnessed it first hand from the yoke.

WTF! Taking off with 1200????? What the hell did you land with?

 

[501261]

All this talk about Lear's. The 24 will usually outclimb the 25's (same thrust, just lighter airframe), The 25, 31, and 60 are all pretty impressive climbers, but the 24.

However, the best climbing Lear out there is the .......28! The Lear 28/29 has the 31 wing with the 25 engine.

 

[G4G5]

They are very nice, they are about the nicest hand flying aircraft around, I have about 2,500 hours in 50EX's... But by the end of the year won't be flying them anymore...

370 KIAS is Vmo at 10,000ft. 350 KIAS is Vmo at Sea Level... .86 is Mmo...

I knew it was something around 370 kts. I remember one time coming out of NY with the 50ex, I quickly leveled at 10,000 and asked center what speed he wanted, it was a slow night so he said, "pick it up, the faster you go the less time you spend with me". I kicked it up to 365Kts ( I remember being 5kts below red line).
The DAL 767 in front of me got bent out of shape when center gave him a vector to get out of my way. It didn't help any when I asked center, "what type of speed bump we were following today." I will never forget it, that good old boy was steaming.
"this is ridiculous I have never had to take a delaying vector in all my years as a 767 captain, blah blah........."
I answered. " I can slow to 360 kts, if that will help DAL out"

This may be sacrilege but a light 50ex was just as quick as any Gulfstream I have ever flown and the 50ex handles a whole lot better.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

WTF! Taking off with 1200????? What the hell did you land with?

yeah, that sounds a little odd..

If I rememeber a 25 burned about 6000lb/hr at takeoff.

1200lb for takeoff? and climbed to 30K+ ft?

did you flame out and dead stick it back down?

:laugh:

 

[HawkerF/O]

DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I don't care who you are, that was funny. CLownin' the 76 Egos. Blow after blow, putting the beat down on them 'ol boys. I love it.

I knew it was something around 370 kts. I remember one time coming out of NY with the 50ex, I quickly leveled at 10,000 and asked center what speed he wanted, it was a slow night so he said, "pick it up, the faster you go the less time you spend with me". I kicked it up to 365Kts ( I remember being 5kts below red line).
The DAL 767 in front of me got bent out of shape when center gave him a vector to get out of my way. It didn't help any when I asked center, "what type of speed bump we were following today." I will never forget it, that good old boy was steaming.
"this is ridiculous I have never had to take a delaying vector in all my years as a 767 captain, blah blah........."
I answered. " I can slow to 360 kts, if that will help DAL out"

This may be sacrilege but a light 50ex was just as quick as any Gulfstream I have ever flown and the 50ex handles a whole lot better.

 

[FL350]

This raises an interesting question. Why do a lot corporate pilots have it in for airline pilots? We are all just doing a job to pay the bills, right? Aren't we all pretty much in the same boat?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

This raises an interesting question. Why do a lot corporate pilots have it in for airline pilots? We are all just doing a job to pay the bills, right? Aren't we all pretty much in the same boat?

I dont think many have it in for each other at all...but many military-airline DAL guys (for example) always assume those "little airplanes" they are following just get in their way and are flown by guys who "couldnt get on at a major".

Funny how those little airplanes can many times be faster and pay a lot better than the old (deep voice) "67" at DAL these days.


:laugh:

 

[HawkerF/O]

I dont think many have it in for each other at all...but many military-airline DAL guys (for example) always assume those "little airplanes" they are following just get in their way and are flown by guys who "couldnt get on at a major".

Funny how those little airplanes can many times be faster and pay a lot better than the old (deep voice) "67" at DAL these days.


:laugh:

To some degree G200 is correct. You also have some airline pilots that look at the corporate world as a contingency to fall back on if furloughed while the airline gets financially sound again. That insults some of these guys who have made their career as corporate aviators. Corporate pilots are not so dependent on others to get some tasks accomplished and have typically found a way to make the operation as efficient as possible. An airline guy coming over to a corporate side probably brings more raw flying experience than he would operational skills in terms of making things happen outside of actually flying the airplane. I don't mean the airline guy can fly better than the corporate pilots, I am saying those airline guys (especially regional pilots) knocking out 3 or 4 ILSs a day 3-4 days a week every week have it down to a science, while the corporate guys can fly extremely well, they have to stay aware of the management/money side of the operation as well as the flying side.

At the same time, the airline vetting process is typically much more through than a corporate process. Airlines look at the personality side of a person and corporate operators will try to accomplish those same things by having a "get to know you" interview, while the airlines give you some psych tests and more of a technical interview as well at the "get to know you". I know of only 1 corporate operator that sends potential new hires to a psychologist, but there are probably more. So, there are plenty of pilots that couldn't get on at the majors because of personality. There are also plenty of airline guys that coundn't get on with reputable corporate operators. The difference is the ego and "god complex". You have some CPs in the corporate world that hire a new guy them treats him poorly, not letting him fly, making him do all the crap stuff, keeping him as far away from the principle as possible so it seems as the only one that is capable of running the show is the guy in charge while the "flunky" is doing all the work. At the airlines, the average captain sitting next to you does not have the power to fire you and do those things to you because of standarization, and that is a good thing. You actually have a way to bring to the attention of someone what matters what is going on, while doing that in the corporate world would be a great way to loose your job and have troubles getting hired elsewhere.

Obviously, that is not the case everywhere, but there are plenty of corporate CPs that act and think along those lines. AS for the airline guys coming over to corporate, they are introduced to new things such as humping bags, stopping at the store and getting a newspaper or special catering, not having a set schedule, getting up and serving those in the back, etc. That can be a tough transition, and if you truly believe all of that is beneath you, then it is going to be hard for you to adapt.

Some airline guys do have it out for corporate guys, and the same is true for some corporate guys having it out for airline guys. The corporate guys that say they have no interest and have never dreamed of flying a large boeing product are liars, and the airline guy that says he would hate having to fly a Global Express down to Tahiti for 7 days and is able to bring his wife along while making 140K +35K bonus is a liar as well.

 

[xrated]

they flock like the Salmon of capastrama(or however you spell that)

It's Capistrano.

 

[Lostdog65]

And it's "swallows"...

 

[TXDA2000]

To answer the questions above, we landed with about 1000 lbs. Climb to 310 (3 minutes), level for 3 more, flight idle glide to the pattern.

I'm not neccessarily condoning this flight, it was early in my career acting as a contract pilot. It was fun though. What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger, right?

I'm personally a fuel chicken. 1000 for a trip, 1000 reserve, a couple of hundred more for unforseen stuff, and a couple hundred more for good measure, right? The only time you have too much fuel is when your on fire.

The Falcon 20F has a Vmo of 390 all the way down. Makes for impressive high speed passes and such.

 

[turbulence]

To bad there was not a G3 behind the Lear..

 

[GulfstreamSDL]

...Or an F-16 behind that G III

 

[HawkerF/O]

...Or an F-16 behind that G III

Or a homesick Angel behind that F-16