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[Yuppyguppy]

I think new hires will be on the way sooner than later. By the way we must stand up to these idiot pilots doing SR/JR manning. They are the modern day scab. Their names should be posted all over the crew rooms

 

[Andy]

By the way we must stand up to these idiot pilots doing SR/JR manning. They are the modern day scab. Their names should be posted all over the crew rooms

I'm in agreement, but you've got to get JR/SRM removed from the contract before you can crucify someone for it.

 

[Peanut gallery]

Whoa...

I think new hires will be on the way sooner than later. By the way we must stand up to these idiot pilots doing SR/JR manning. They are the modern day scab. Their names should be posted all over the crew rooms

Slow down there, some folks are having a hard time paying their bills and because of the big give back they are fighting anyway they can to keep the bank from taking the homestead. You do not know every persons situation, I personally know 4 folks that have lost houses due to not being able to keep with obligations they got into before the the 40 percent and equipment downgrade. Plus the end of an incredible run in real estate run up. These folks are not in any way scabs.

In addition the amount of divorces among UA pilots since 9/11 has been stagering.

So in conclusion keep your scab mentality on the back burner untill you know somebody's situation.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

So much for the "unity".

It's like the game 'musical chairs'. When the music stops people race to get a seat and someone is left with nothing. Far be it for the entire crowd to decide as a whole not to play the game or demand that there be one more chair so EVERYONE can have a seat.

I was one of the 2172 left with nothing. Hope the others who've been whoring themselves out to pay for their toys know what they've done.

GP

PS: Back on the thread...what other classes have been announced for this year?

 

[G100driver]

Not my fight GP, but excellent post.

 

[UAL-GSO]

Slow down there, some folks are having a hard time paying their bills and because of the big give back they are fighting anyway they can to keep the bank from taking the homestead. You do not know every persons situation, I personally know 4 folks that have lost houses due to not being able to keep with obligations they got into before the the 40 percent and equipment downgrade. Plus the end of an incredible run in real estate run up. These folks are not in any way scabs.

In addition the amount of divorces among UA pilots since 9/11 has been stagering.

So in conclusion keep your scab mentality on the back burner untill you know somebody's situation.

No, they are not scabs and should not be referred to as scabs. That being said - IMHO what they have done/are doing is inexcusable. I too personally know several folks that have lost houses, etc. due to the 100% paycut which I also had the joy of experiencing. You think 40% is tough? Try keeping up with those obligations when the paychecks stop.

Every scab out there can give you a laundry list of reasons why they "had to" do what they did. I am sure that our "brothers" who have chosen to JRM/SRM can give you there own list of excuses as well. The fact of the matter remains that these folks have helped the company keep furloughees off the property even longer by doing something that we as a pilot group have overwhelmingly decided is wrong. I try to thank each one of them personally whenever I can. Scabs? No. Low class? Hell yes.

 

[Huggyu2]

You won't see me doing JM/SM, but seeing as ALPA has sanctioned it as a valid practice, I won't hold it against someone who does it. I might try to dissuade them via a discussion. And maybe they'll convince me they have a good reason for that particular time/week.
But I'd sure prefer it if everyone wasn't just so ready to yell "Scab!" and "I hate you!" so quick. It doesn't help the situation; it makes it worse.
Let's simply listen to each person. If you still disagree, fine. And tell your LEC reps you'd like to see them do something about it.

 

[Andy]

Slow down there, some folks are having a hard time paying their bills and because of the big give back they are fighting anyway they can to keep the bank from taking the homestead. You do not know every persons situation, I personally know 4 folks that have lost houses due to not being able to keep with obligations they got into before the the 40 percent and equipment downgrade. Plus the end of an incredible run in real estate run up. These folks are not in any way scabs.

In addition the amount of divorces among UA pilots since 9/11 has been stagering.

So in conclusion keep your scab mentality on the back burner untill you know somebody's situation.

We've ALL got our hard luck stories. Save that junk for someone who's lived a golden life. Most of us posting here are furloughees/ex-furloughees who have ZERO sympathy for those that whore themselves out while their brothers have been and are out on the street.

This is almost as stupid as your 104 rule posts. http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=92256
More flamebait?

 

[Peanut gallery]

I see a trend here

We've ALL got our hard luck stories. Save that junk for someone who's lived a golden life. Most of us posting here are furloughees/ex-furloughees who have ZERO sympathy for those that whore themselves out while their brothers have been and are out on the street.

Every time some one has even a slightly diferent opinion than you it has to be flamebait, so much so it has put you on the sideline a time or two.
If I remember your diatribe here, you originally rubbed it in your fellow furloughees face that you could imediately go back to some desk job in the military, while your fellow furloughees were wondering how they were going to eat.
Then when anybody even so much as mentioned the age 60 thing which we all know will happen soon ( but you want it when you are 59 and 11 months ) you go off on them. The legislation you call flaimbait was within hours of moving forward when folks put some light on it ( maybe even because it was posted in a bunch of places that day ) and slowed down the whole thing and managed to get it back into the NRPM process.
Then the last insult to your fellow furloughees is when you use the mil leave process to avoid doing the time in a job that simply does not pay enough anymore, hoping to go back when it finally gets fixed and from your perspective some more people retire, but you really did not need that in the short term bacause you used your status on mil leave to sharpshoot the system and grab a 767 seat while folks senior to you will maybe have to come back on narrow body pay because of training center problems. But that is ok because you got yours and now you have the unmitigated gall to call someone trapped in a pay hell that you have very selfishly avoided names and call for derision on there lives. How do you look in the mirror......

 

[spinup]

While I understand that JRM/SRM is contractually legal, you have got to realize that it is completely undercutting our leverage. This was the original reason for my yes vote on the TA, my lack of trust in these individuals to do the right thing. Their inability to cease self-serving interests horribly minimizes our leverage. It’s frustrating to see many do the right thing in declining big money and schedule improvements via JRM/SRM only to have HERO’S save the day. Simply stated, scheduling is using this as a manpower tool. Make no mistake; they NEED this tool for the summer flying. 300+ JRM/SRM events a month… ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?

Sure, it’s contractually legal. However, it would require big $$$ for ALPA to negotiate JRM/SRM out of the contract. Why waste resources on this when it is VOLUNTARY??? We can individually negotiate it out for FREE.

I really don’t care the excuse, and there is always one, STOP JRM/SRM NOW!!! Its disgusting, especially so given the statement we just made with the TA.

Rant over, not aimed at you.

 

[Andy]

If I remember your diatribe here, you originally rubbed it in your fellow furloughees face that you could imediately go back to some desk job in the military, while your fellow furloughees were wondering how they were going to eat.

Really? Then I must've been pretty stupid to be drawing unemployment for 9 mos of the 5 yrs that I spent on furlough. Especially since I could get a 'coveted' desk job in the military. Yep, it was great being unemployed; I highly recommend it. :angryfire

The legislation you call flaimbait was within hours of moving forward when folks put some light on it ( maybe even because it was posted in a bunch of places that day ) and slowed down the whole thing and managed to get it back into the NRPM process.

The ONLY time that I've seen any writing on that outlandish proposal is from you. Did you get your information while out having beers with a couple of congressional aides? I checked with the ALPA leg affairs rep and he had NO idea what I was asking about. And you have certainly provided no proof of the existance of such a proposal.

Then the last insult to your fellow furloughees is when you use the mil leave process to avoid doing the time in a job that simply does not pay enough anymore, hoping to go back when it finally gets fixed and from your perspective some more people retire, but you really did not need that in the short term bacause you used your status on mil leave to sharpshoot the system and grab a 767 seat while folks senior to you will maybe have to come back on narrow body pay because of training center problems. But that is ok because you got yours and now you have the unmitigated gall to call someone trapped in a pay hell that you have very selfishly avoided names and call for derision on there lives. How do you look in the mirror......

You don't like the mil leave process? Then get the contract changed.
You don't like the recall process? Then get the contract changed.
All pilots at United have the opportunity to serve their country in the military. For that, United does not penalize them. How much time have you spent in the military?
All pilots on furlough have had the opportunity to learn how the recall process works. Each makes a decision on when to be recalled based on their personal wants and needs. I don't fault my friend who's 1000 numbers senior to me and still on bypass; he's waiting for the right time for him to return. Perhaps you'd prefer a rigidly inflexible system for recalling pilots. That begs the question .... what's the likelihood of you being furloughed in the future?


So, let me see if I understand you. Mil leave bad. Furlough recall procedures bad. JR/SRM good. Is that an accurate summary of your point of view?

 

[GuppyPuppy]

You don't like the mil leave process? Then get the contract changed.
You don't like the recall process? Then get the contract changed.
All pilots at United have the opportunity to serve their country in the military. For that, United does not penalize them. How much time have you spent in the military?
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Better check that one, Andy.

Some have a medical condition that, while still allowing them to get a 1st class medical, kept them out of the military.

NOW....BACK ON SUBJECT....

Are there any classes scheduled past the June 4th class? And...what is the hire date of the junior pilot given the last chance recall.

GP

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Don't JR/SR man....why help out a company that is counting on you to fix their manning problem over the summer. 100's of flights will be cancelled if we say no! I know it sounds mean and yeah were here to make the ship run straight but it's hard to help someone out who keeps spitting in your face, stealing your money and gives you absolutely no respect. SCREW EM...no increase in pay...no way! The concession stand is closed! The only thing GT and his cronies understand is money.

 

[Huggyu2]

...and I was hoping we could get all 8000+ pilots to get along, nevermind a few of us on FI. At some point, we'll all need to focus our efforts on working to get a better contract for all of us.

 

[Andy]

Better check that one, Andy.

Some have a medical condition that, while still allowing them to get a 1st class medical, kept them out of the military.

NOW....BACK ON SUBJECT....

Guppy, I'm not referring to strictly pilot positions. There are more than a few airline pilots who have non-pilot jobs in the Reserves.
And with the current need for personnel, one of my former coworkers with a degenerative vision problem (legally blind, unable to drive a car) passed his physical. He had expected to be medically discharged, but is happily continuing to serve in the Corps at Cherry Point. The standards are quite variable depending on the job and branch of service.