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Gordo
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A friend of l mine who was hired Jan 1996 called me last night. Word from the union is hire dates from the Jan 2001 class I was in will receive recall letters by this December.
The pay scale above is what he said I should expect, except junior line holders are flying about 90 - 94 hours per month vice the monthly guarantee of 65 hours. That plus the $1.75 / hour perdiem should boost the gross pay up a bit. http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/ has a nice calculator with which you can see your pay rates.
Though I doubt we'll ever see raises like Mr. Tilton just received.
The pay scale above is what he said I should expect, except junior line holders are flying about 90 - 94 hours per month vice the monthly guarantee of 65 hours. That plus the $1.75 / hour perdiem should boost the gross pay up a bit. http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/ has a nice calculator with which you can see your pay rates.
Though I doubt we'll ever see raises like Mr. Tilton just received.
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Booker
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Did you mean www.airlinepilotcentral.com?
flyingmonkey
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Geez, I hope not. That would be quite a ball-buster of a reserve month. Fatigued by the end of the month for sure.
Gordo
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More info from the company regarding furlough recalls. This was a recent post on Skynet
Manpower Planning
Shown below is our training plan through March 2007, which provides some insight into upcoming vacancy bids. Note that “current bid inventory”, representing vacancy bids already awarded, will occupy a portion of the training slots in December through March.
Shown below is our training plan through March 2007, which provides some insight into upcoming vacancy bids. Note that “current bid inventory”, representing vacancy bids already awarded, will occupy a portion of the training slots in December through March.
Sorry the spreadsheet didn't make it. Surmise it to say
October 767 10 FO crews
320 15
300 22
November 76710 FO crews
320 15October 767 10 FO crews
320 15
300 22
November 76710 FO crews
300 22
December 767 15 FO crews
320 15
300 17
January 767 18 FO crews
320 28
300 15
February 767 24
320 28
300 18
March 767 24
320 19
300 18
Additionally, we recently announced that the number of pilots recalled in 2006 will end up around 385, and that we expect to recall over 300 pilots in 2007. We anticipate that by February all furloughed pilots will have been offered return, meaning that only voluntary furloughees will remain, or those pilots on the bypass list. At that point the bypass list will be traversed in reverse seniority order, with the voluntary furloughees deciding to either return or resign.
Both the training and recall plan support our 2007 manpower plan, which contains increased staffing levels on the domestic fleets compared to 2006. The 767 CAP, 767 F/O, and 300 CAP positions have the largest increase, an action clearly needed as evidenced by our 2006 operating performance.
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hyflyt560
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Never mind, Bob Neal called me today.
From the latest MEC update today. FYI...
"Discussing recalled furloughed pilots, Captain Hamilton said that, including the October 15, November 6 and December 4 recall classes, 1,741 pilots have responded to recall offers, with 584 (33.5 %) accepting recall, 390 (22.4 %) receiving Leaves of Absence, 752 (43.2 %) bypassing and 15 (0.08 %) resigning. The Company extended an additional 53 recall offers, but as of this date, all responses have not yet been received."
My take:
As a line holding 320 First Officer in LAX, I can tell all of you prospective returning furloughees, we need you back. We consistantly SRM/JRM, and the reserves are flying more towards 90 rather than 70. All the bashing you hear about UAL is over blown. If you can stomach flying the lowest paying equipment and the work rules associated with the LCO, then you can stomach anything.
We currently have 4 unfilled LAX 767 bids and we had 2 on the last bid unfilled. My point is, there are other options that will come available to you and if you don't want to fly the narrow gauge equipment, you won't have to for long. But it really is NOT that bad. Now...If you are commuting to reserve to cover several airports, that is not the wisest decision. But on that note, if you are recalled to a domicile other that that in which you were furloughed from, you will receive positive space BP-3 passes for the first 6 months, and fee-waived BP-8 passes for the next 6 months. If you choose to move to your new domicile, it is fully paid for by UAL. By the end of the first year, you should either be off reserve, or taking a bid to another domicile/equipment.
I am an 8 year 320 f/o, and I make roughly $8,000 a month give or take $500, plus per diem of another $700 per month. If you add in the 15 percent B and C fund cash payments to my retirement account, I think a $9,500 per month pay package for a 320 F/O is not too bad, without even including my free medical and dental (that is for HMO/DMO though).
Is it as good as the $12,000 per month I used to make? Nope. Will we get a better contract as our careers progress in a few years? Probably. Are you coming back to a line holding 8th year pay position? No you are not. But you'll be there before you know it and if I am making a comfortable living flying the smallest airplane UAL has, it will only go up from here flying the bigger birds and flying as Captain.
For those of you who had the option to bypass, that was a great thing because it has given you the luxary of time to make a more informed decision. It will also enable you to return to UAL with more seniority. Reading the discussion on the Majors board about whether a pilot should come bask to UAL or go to JetBlue is interesting. My opinion, United all the way. JetBlue has good people. But so do we. We have been through rough times, but there is no where to go but up for us. JetBlue is un proven in the whole scheme of airline survival. A 7 year old airline versus an 80 year old stalworth is a risky scenerio. Is JetBlue gonna be hear in 80 years? Who knows. Is UAL gonna be around for another 80 years? ...If we haven't been shut down with 9/11, SARS, terrorism, 2 wars, Bird Flu, 78 dollar oil, Bankruptcy, recession, and countless other setbacks, I don't think much can take us down next time. The key to a successful career is keeping your company viable and in business. It may take a lot of hits during the bad times, but there will be good times ahead as well. That is just the business of flying these days. It has always been that way. UAL is as lean as we have ever been. The STAR Alliance is a global powerhouse. If we merge with anyone will the junior guy get screwed? No...Because you just assured your longevity position as a pilot with the largest most powerful new airline in existance, junior or not.
In summary, it is not as good as it used to be. You can still make a great living flying even the smallest and most junior equipment. We have been around a long time, and that means something. It got as bad as it is gonna get, and I feel it will only get better. Do not resign...Come back to United. We want and need you back.
Just my opinion. Take it for what its worth. I guess in the end, you still have to love flying airplanes. Because that is the bases for everything that is important. The love of flying airplanes.
Thanks for reading my ramblings. Hope it helps. Any other questions, feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them.
"Discussing recalled furloughed pilots, Captain Hamilton said that, including the October 15, November 6 and December 4 recall classes, 1,741 pilots have responded to recall offers, with 584 (33.5 %) accepting recall, 390 (22.4 %) receiving Leaves of Absence, 752 (43.2 %) bypassing and 15 (0.08 %) resigning. The Company extended an additional 53 recall offers, but as of this date, all responses have not yet been received."
My take:
As a line holding 320 First Officer in LAX, I can tell all of you prospective returning furloughees, we need you back. We consistantly SRM/JRM, and the reserves are flying more towards 90 rather than 70. All the bashing you hear about UAL is over blown. If you can stomach flying the lowest paying equipment and the work rules associated with the LCO, then you can stomach anything.
We currently have 4 unfilled LAX 767 bids and we had 2 on the last bid unfilled. My point is, there are other options that will come available to you and if you don't want to fly the narrow gauge equipment, you won't have to for long. But it really is NOT that bad. Now...If you are commuting to reserve to cover several airports, that is not the wisest decision. But on that note, if you are recalled to a domicile other that that in which you were furloughed from, you will receive positive space BP-3 passes for the first 6 months, and fee-waived BP-8 passes for the next 6 months. If you choose to move to your new domicile, it is fully paid for by UAL. By the end of the first year, you should either be off reserve, or taking a bid to another domicile/equipment.
I am an 8 year 320 f/o, and I make roughly $8,000 a month give or take $500, plus per diem of another $700 per month. If you add in the 15 percent B and C fund cash payments to my retirement account, I think a $9,500 per month pay package for a 320 F/O is not too bad, without even including my free medical and dental (that is for HMO/DMO though).
Is it as good as the $12,000 per month I used to make? Nope. Will we get a better contract as our careers progress in a few years? Probably. Are you coming back to a line holding 8th year pay position? No you are not. But you'll be there before you know it and if I am making a comfortable living flying the smallest airplane UAL has, it will only go up from here flying the bigger birds and flying as Captain.
For those of you who had the option to bypass, that was a great thing because it has given you the luxary of time to make a more informed decision. It will also enable you to return to UAL with more seniority. Reading the discussion on the Majors board about whether a pilot should come bask to UAL or go to JetBlue is interesting. My opinion, United all the way. JetBlue has good people. But so do we. We have been through rough times, but there is no where to go but up for us. JetBlue is un proven in the whole scheme of airline survival. A 7 year old airline versus an 80 year old stalworth is a risky scenerio. Is JetBlue gonna be hear in 80 years? Who knows. Is UAL gonna be around for another 80 years? ...If we haven't been shut down with 9/11, SARS, terrorism, 2 wars, Bird Flu, 78 dollar oil, Bankruptcy, recession, and countless other setbacks, I don't think much can take us down next time. The key to a successful career is keeping your company viable and in business. It may take a lot of hits during the bad times, but there will be good times ahead as well. That is just the business of flying these days. It has always been that way. UAL is as lean as we have ever been. The STAR Alliance is a global powerhouse. If we merge with anyone will the junior guy get screwed? No...Because you just assured your longevity position as a pilot with the largest most powerful new airline in existance, junior or not.
In summary, it is not as good as it used to be. You can still make a great living flying even the smallest and most junior equipment. We have been around a long time, and that means something. It got as bad as it is gonna get, and I feel it will only get better. Do not resign...Come back to United. We want and need you back.
Just my opinion. Take it for what its worth. I guess in the end, you still have to love flying airplanes. Because that is the bases for everything that is important. The love of flying airplanes.
Thanks for reading my ramblings. Hope it helps. Any other questions, feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them.
A lot of those bypassers are starting to come back. I bypassed the Sep class and tried to get in the Dec class (not likely); would've been #5. I could go in the Jan class as #7 (as of now), but told the Bob Neil that I'd take Dec or Feb. I'm just trying to get a better choice since I'll be on mil leave for a long time.
hyflyt560
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I was/am #9 in the October class and received 320/DCA. I'll be on mil. leave (Bogata vacation) until April. Not sure how many in the Oct recall class got 757, but there were 10 vacancies, so I assume those already on the line snagged those, or most of them.
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