Latest ASA offer

[atrdriver]

Hey ohnoIwetmydrawersagain, why don't you ask your buddy Laliar why they didn't notify the NMB and put it out there in front of the mediator? Don't you think they didn't for a reason? Can't figure it out can you.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

He doesn't understand that the reason that the company is trying to engage in these "informal talks" is so they can gauge just how low the MEC is willing to go with no consequences.

 

[ASADriver]

They have NOT offered us what Skywest has, nor have they offered us what they supposedly offered Skywest at the end of last week. The "offer" that was withdrawn still did not have COLA increases, nor did it include Premium Pay. So tell me genius, what happens if the company decides to block every line at 73.5 hours? Do you still think that premium is worthless? They HAVE done that before. And the company is still pushing dual Qual, which I don't have a problem with, if they are planning to pay me for it. But I do have a problem having to know 2 sets of everything after taking a paycut.

Yes, I and many that I know would be fairly happy if we were offered EXACTLY what skywest has currently, as long is it was in the form of a binging contract, not in the form of a policy manual or a gentlemans agreement. But that HAS NOT BEEN OFFERED TO US.

Being offered EXACTLY what skywest has would include much lower 70 seat rates and PBS. Still want that EXACT offer? As far as lines being built to 73.5 hours, I don't believe Skywest would want that. Skywest is an efficient company and they wouldn't want to pay pilots 75 hours for 73.5 hours of flying if they could avoid it. The nap lines would be low, but not regular lines.

 

[ASADriver]

Nothing prevents that. But it kind of blows their arguement that we are overpriced when they offer the Skywest pilots MORE than we make on both aircraft, doesn't it? Still believe that we are overpaid? Why don't you just send you check back to the company? And why would they set up a domicile here when we are cheaper? You don't understand that this is about control. They want to have their ultimate control over the pilots. Maybe that doesn't bother you, but it does me.

I don't think we are overpaid, and I am not going to send money back to the company. However, what if they continue to transfer our flying to Skywest? How is that going to benefit us?

 

[atrdriver]

Being offered EXACTLY what skywest has would include much lower 70 seat rates and PBS. Still want that EXACT offer? As far as lines being built to 73.5 hours, I don't believe Skywest would want that. Skywest is an efficient company and they wouldn't want to pay pilots 75 hours for 73.5 hours of flying if they could avoid it. The nap lines would be low, but not regular lines.

The company has done that before, maybe you weren't here for it. As far as Skywest wanting it, I'm sure they want us to be last in performance, baggage lost, customer satisfaction, and everything else, but we still are, and they certainly haven't stepped in to do anything about it.

And yes, if offered their EXACT "contract", I believe that most here would take it, as long as it was in the form of a real contract, and not the "gentlemans agreement" that they have now. And with the what they have been offered, it would NOT be lower pay on the 70. But again, we have not been offered that, nor anything close to it. The company has not even discussed the profit sharing that they are already giving to all the non-union employees.

 

[ASARJMan]

But again, we have not been offered that, nor anything close to it. The company has not even discussed the profit sharing that they are already giving to all the non-union employees.

Not sure, but isn't the SKYW proposal from the association to the company? Doesn't say anything about being an offer from management. Any SKYW pilot care to comment on this?

Profit sharing! The way the ramp is being managed none of the non-union employees will get any of it!

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[atrdriver]

Profit sharing! The way the ramp is being managed none of the non-union employees will get any of it!

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Well, regardless of how bad the ramp is, we are still posting a profit, which should mean profit sharing checks. But the company has not even raised that topic in negotiations.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The last offer, or the Skywest SAPA proposal are not substandard. They are both better than many other regionals. What is your standard?

First of all, the "last offer" was not an offer. It would only have been an offer if they proposed it, on paper, in the presence of the NMB. It was a verbal "what if" that our MEC challenged them to put on paper... which they never did.

Second, the SAPA offer is WAY better than anything we have been offered so far, either on paper or verbally. That from John Rice, CNC Chairman... if you had bothered to attend the LEC meeting. Since you weren't there to hear the answers to your questions, maybe you need to STFU.

 

[jehtplane]

Not sure, but isn't the SKYW proposal from the association to the company? Doesn't say anything about being an offer from management. Any SKYW pilot care to comment on this?

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That is what I thought as well.

 

[jehtplane]

Second, the SAPA offer is WAY better than anything we have been offered so far, either on paper or verbally. That from John Rice, CNC Chairman... if you had bothered to attend the LEC meeting. Since you weren't there to hear the answers to your questions, maybe you need to STFU.

Yes but the SAPA offer was from the Pilots to Management, at least that is the way I understood it.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yes but the SAPA offer was from the Pilots to Management, at least that is the way I understood it.

Correct... but management controls SAPA. Do you really believe SAPA came up with a proposal that would potentially embarass management on their own? Management tells them what to ask for. Management screwed up because they actually believed it wouldn't get out to the ASA pilots until it was official.

 

[CFIT]

Not sure, but isn't the SKYW proposal from the association to the company? Doesn't say anything about being an offer from management. Any SKYW pilot care to comment on this?

Profit sharing! The way the ramp is being managed none of the non-union employees will get any of it!

VOTED IN FAVOR!

I think the proposal to management is a little lofty but possible, and the profit sharing bonus I got today for a little over 2 grand was sweet.

 

[JoeMerchant]

In other words, at a profit number of 45 million per quarter, Skywests investment will be fully paid for in 2 1/2 years.

ASA isn't generating 45 million per quarter, and the "investment" can be realized with or without ASA pilots. We are not the "investment".

 

[JoeMerchant]

In defence of LJ, while I certainly don't agree with where she and Joe are going now, the best times this pilot group ever had was when DW was VP of flight ops, and she and CS were CPs.

Just "where are we going now". We have been critical of our strategy for quite some time now, and it is playing out as we said it would. I don't like it anymore than you do, but if you don't have scope, you don't have leverage. We don't have scope, and we don't have leverage. Sometimes the truth hurts....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yes they are....this is something the line pilots seem to keep forgetting. I am about the most impatient person around and it is driving me crazy not having a contract after 4 years of negotiations. I trust that the union has my best intrest in mind and there are NO egos in play now. The new MEC is more open and willing to work with the company, but the company hasn't changed their tune!
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Sinca, this quote interested me. Are you referring to our former MEC Chairman? I have heard this from several ALPA people recently. Was there a problem with our former MEC Chairman?

 

[JoeMerchant]

They are having informal meetings because the company requested them, and ALPA would like to get this contract done. They are not willing to sign a crappy deal to get it done though, and I applaud them for that. Time is working against the company, not us.

No, time is working against us. Skywest doesn't need the ASA pilots, and it can pursue it's goals with or without us.