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[goodto50meters]

Sounds like non-union Skywest is doing better than most ALPA carriers and saving their 2% dues. Jerry is going to reward his pilots for not being union.

Sooooo then you support the fact that Atkin is surrounded by unionized carriers that he must 'compete' with in order to keep the union out? And, that without those said unions holding up things around him he would NOT be raising things there right?

Thanks for your union support. Jackass

 

[ASADriver]

There is nothing hard line about saying no to rediculous management offers.
A good call by the MEC is more like it. if you want a pay cut-freeze, then you feel free to write Atkin and LaBrecque a check every month for the difference.

You don't get it. I don't want a pay cut, and the current offer would be a payraise. What I really don't want is for Skywest to transfer airplanes while we hold out for huge pay increases. A large payraise will not do me any good if all our airplanes go to Skywest.

 

[ASADriver]

Sooooo then you support the fact that Atkin is surrounded by unionized carriers that he must 'compete' with in order to keep the union out? And, that without those said unions holding up things around him he would NOT be raising things there right?

Thanks for your union support. Jackass

I don't support it, I realize it for the reality that it is. Some of you would be wise to wakeup to this reality. How is the union going to support me if our flying is transferred to Skywest?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

ASADrivel,

I find it odd that I am actually hoping SWA slips up and takes you, so you can get the hell away from the rest of us.

By the way, your ALPA dues are a tax write-off, so quit whining about losing 2% of your paycheck.

 

[goodto50meters]

I don't support it, I realize it for the reality that it is. Some of you would be wise to wakeup to this reality. How is the union going to support me if our flying is transferred to Skywest?

Atkin is not competeing against the union rates that surround him? You sure? You do have a 737 type right?

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[FORESTGUMP]

Run Forest Run...Run away from reality!

Semantics!? You really are the local idiot. You either have an enforcable contract or you dont. There is no warm and fuzzy creamy center.

Vote no if you want. But I would point out that members of management are not allowed, sorry.

I don't see/hear Skywest pilots running around on here OR anywhere else bitchin' and whinin' about how bad they have it or how bad their management is or how over worked they are. They make more $ than we do and their airline is getting new planes and hiring pilots in droves.......and all you and your buddies can do is act like middle school brats and call anyone who disagrees with you opinion names......nice....really nice

 

[Bizjet]

Smart on his part. I would do the same if I was in his position.

You are not very bright so you will never be in his position. You want gravy with that biscuit Mr. Biscuit?

 

[atrdriver]

You don't get it. I don't want a pay cut, and the current offer would be a payraise. What I really don't want is for Skywest to transfer airplanes while we hold out for huge pay increases. A large payraise will not do me any good if all our airplanes go to Skywest.

If we lose premium and get 50% DH pay you will end up with a paycut, regardless of what you think. There was a time here where every line was blocked just below guarantee, where premium was the only way to make any money without giving up days off. Then look at the FOs, who will take a paycut regardless, as no COLA raise equals a paycut when the cost of everything else goes up.

How do you explain that they are asking us for a paycut when they are offering the skywest pilots OUR rates for the 70s? Kind of negates their arguement that we are too expensive, huh? And remember them saying that the reason that they were transferring 70s away from us was because we are too expensive? If they make the same as we do, what is their excuse for it now? You need to wake up.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I average 85 hours per month - far more than our ALPA people on full time leave. How much are our negotiators flying?

I know the sim flys "just like the airplane", but sim time and Cessna time don't count, LOL!

And our negotiating committee may be on full time leave, but they work much harder than you do in a day, Mr Dudley.

 

[ASARJMan]

I know the sim flys "just like the airplane", but sim time and Cessna time don't count, LOL!
And our negotiating committee may be on full time leave, but they work much harder than you do in a day, Mr Dudley.

Oh he's in that 'important' engineering job, you know, the one where he plays with gee whiz toys, and not reality like a line pilot does every friggin day! He's also the one who came up with that turn at JFK on V1 cuts, when ATC there exp[ected us to go straight out! And then the time he taxied out at Peachtree City w/ flaps up, only to lower them while taxing. Hmmm, no flap inspection. Hell, ASA could save some $$$ putting him back on line, IF he's ever been a line pilot.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[79%N1]

Ok, the company want PB and dual qual.......I say lets give it to them. Good faith on our part to show we want to give a little to get this done. But, that said, make them buy it from us. I can accept it with good trip AND duty rigs, and complete liberal trip swapping with no scheduler approval and Mon.Wed.Fri swapping only Bulsh!t. Add in acceptable scope and fragmentation, COLA increases and retro and you have a deal. And since it would demand the reworking of section 13, make it time critical. Give them two weeks to iron that out with us or deals off.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Ok, the company want PB and dual qual.......I say lets give it to them. Good faith on our part to show we want to give a little to get this done. But, that said, make them buy it from us. I can accept it with good trip AND duty rigs, and complete liberal trip swapping with no scheduler approval and Mon.Wed.Fri swapping only Bulsh!t. Add in acceptable scope and fragmentation, COLA increases and retro and you have a deal. And since it would demand the reworking of section 13, make it time critical. Give them two weeks to iron that out with us or deals off.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that we already got all of the things you asked for, except the duty rigs (which would usless with PBS) without giving them PBS. To enter into PBS discussion now would cause a complete re-work of the scheduling section, and we'd probably lose a lot of good stuff we already got.

 

[ASADriver]

If we lose premium and get 50% DH pay you will end up with a paycut, regardless of what you think. There was a time here where every line was blocked just below guarantee, where premium was the only way to make any money without giving up days off. Then look at the FOs, who will take a paycut regardless, as no COLA raise equals a paycut when the cost of everything else goes up.

How do you explain that they are asking us for a paycut when they are offering the skywest pilots OUR rates for the 70s? Kind of negates their arguement that we are too expensive, huh? And remember them saying that the reason that they were transferring 70s away from us was because we are too expensive? If they make the same as we do, what is their excuse for it now? You need to wake up.

Actually, the current offer is 100% DH. I don't care about premium as I fly overblock. They aren't asking for a paycut on the 70 anymore, not sure where you are getting that from. Actually, the offers look very similar.

 

[ASADriver]

I know the sim flys "just like the airplane", but sim time and Cessna time don't count, LOL!

And our negotiating committee may be on full time leave, but they work much harder than you do in a day, Mr Dudley.

What are they doing now? We aren't meeting? Would it kill them to fly a little?

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Actually, the current offer is 100% DH. I don't care about premium as I fly overblock. They aren't asking for a paycut on the 70 anymore, not sure where you are getting that from. Actually, the offers look very similar.

oh no! you told the truth and gave facts! what the heck are you thinking?!?!?! You're going to piss off the zealots.

 

[ASADriver]

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that we already got all of the things you asked for, except the duty rigs (which would usless with PBS) without giving them PBS. To enter into PBS discussion now would cause a complete re-work of the scheduling section, and we'd probably lose a lot of good stuff we already got.

Your the one who posted their offer. Would you take their deal? Sounds alot like what we were offered. Lets take it and move on with growing rather than shrinking.

 

[ASARJMan]

Atkin is not competeing against the union rates that surround him? You sure? You do have a 737 type right?

Word is the 737 type was 'given' to him and the chick who used to be in charge of recruiting. Neither one made a good impression on the Delta training department.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[ASARJMan]

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that we already got all of the things you asked for, except the duty rigs (which would usless with PBS) without giving them PBS. To enter into PBS discussion now would cause a complete re-work of the scheduling section, and we'd probably lose a lot of good stuff we already got.

I agree, we already have all of that plus more in Section 13 already. Only way for the company to get PBS will be a side letter, or they can trade it for FULL RETRO PAY, because I VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[ASADriver]

Word is the 737 type was 'given' to him and the chick who used to be in charge of recruiting. Neither one made a good impression on the Delta training department.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

Like most of you words, they are wrong. I paid for my type rating, and it wasn't with Delta. But if it makes you feel better, then continue with your words.

Biscuit

 

[ASADriver]

I agree, we already have all of that plus more in Section 13 already. Only way for the company to get PBS will be a side letter, or they can trade it for FULL RETRO PAY, because I VOTED IN FAVOR!

So we already have the Skywest deal "plus more"? Why are we making such a big deal about the Skywest proposal then? If we already have it better, then what are we holding out for while our assets are transferred?