Latest ACEY Negotiation Info

[atlcrjdriver]

The Company has posted the latest pay rate proposals. Read it for yourself, it may formulate more questions for next weeks meeting/conference call.

http://asacontract.com/pa/Background.asp

Fly Safe...

 

[bailout]

ok, im confused.. Everyone is saying that the company wants a 15%ish paycut on the 70, but that spreadsheet says a 2.5%ish cut?

 

[atrdriver]

The Company has posted the latest pay rate proposals. Read it for yourself, it may formulate more questions for next weeks meeting/conference call.

http://asacontract.com/pa/Background.asp

Fly Safe...

Well, coming from the company, they didn't even get their proposed 1.6% increase at DOS and DOS+12 for the 50 seater, or if they did I sure can't see it. If the entire chart is that accurate I'm very impressed.

 

[atrdriver]

ok, im confused.. Everyone is saying that the company wants a 15%ish paycut on the 70, but that spreadsheet says a 2.5%ish cut?

The average 13% cut for the 70 is for the FO's.

 

[suupah]

The average 13% cut for the 70 is for the FO's.

God knows FO's can afford a paycut. they get paid way too much

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Hell, if means a quick upgrade (yeah right), I could chew on it as much as it sucks but the CA looks doable. After all 13% of nothing is still...... Nothing.

 

[johnsonrod]

Hell, if means a quick upgrade (yeah right), I could chew on it as much as it sucks but the CA looks doable. After all 13% of nothing is still...... Nothing.

I'm sure management will appreciate your comments.

 

[jehtplane]

I'm sure management will appreciate your comments.

No doubt....

 

[atlcrjdriver]

They are looking for a single rate jet FO scale. If we can match SKW, I would be happy as we would match top DCI rate for this position.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

I'm sure management will appreciate your comments.

I guess you missed the sarcasm with the qualifier. But I am sure ALPO appreciates yours.

 

[Sinca3]

ok, im confused.. Everyone is saying that the company wants a 15%ish paycut on the 70, but that spreadsheet says a 2.5%ish cut?

13% cut for 70 FO's. 5.1% cut for 70 capt's over 2 years....Either way it is Bull$hit. Leave the 70 rates as is and give the ATR and 50 pilots a $3-4 hr raise.....plus add in the 705 to the 70 seat rate.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Gentlemen, lets keep this clean. State your likes/dislikes and why. Bottom line, what can you live with to make this thing happen and save the name calling and bashing for another thread.

 

[atrdriver]

Gentlemen, lets keep this clean. State your likes/dislikes and why. Bottom line, what can you live with to make this thing happen and save the name calling and bashing for another thread.

Ok, How's this? No cuts for anyone, at all, as long as BL gets to keep his restricted stock offering and this company is making money. This objection is just for the companies posted "payrates", and is in no way meant to suggest that I have no other objections for their other offers.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireThey are NOT GETTING ONE RED CENT!! They can P@SS OFF and watch 160+ airplanes sit on the ramp! Group interviews WON'T stop that!!

 

[shamrock]

Ok, How's this? No cuts for anyone, at all, as long as BL gets to keep his restricted stock offering and this company is making money. This objection is just for the companies posted "payrates", and is in no way meant to suggest that I have no other objections for their other offers.

Ditto.

I'm too lazy to type today.

 

[Papa Woody]

ALPA is putting a sensationalizing "spin" on the FO paycut by labeling it as "13%"

It's only a few bucks off the rate, but since the rate is already so low, it don't take much to add up to 13%.

I don't see the big deal if you're already eatin' ramen, driving a rusted-out 1982 Datsun B210 "babe magnet", and sharing a 2BR apartment with 6 others.

"$3/hr paycut" doesn't sound bad enough......... "13%" sounds better to disguise ALPA's unfair demand for a wage which reflects record profits at a growing company.

 

[atrdriver]

ALPA is putting a sensationalizing "spin" on the FO paycut by labeling it as "13%"

It's only a few bucks off the rate, but since the rate is already so low, it don't take much to add up to 13%.

I don't see the big deal if you're already eatin' ramen, driving a rusted-out 1982 Datsun B210 "babe magnet", and sharing a 2BR apartment with 6 others.

"$3/hr paycut" doesn't sound bad enough......... "13%" sounds better to disguise ALPA's unfair demand for a wage which reflects record profits at a growing company.

I don't know about you, but a $3/hour cut seems pretty bad to me, especially if you are only making %30-36/hour to start with.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

ALPA is putting a sensationalizing "spin" on the FO paycut by labeling it as "13%"

It's only a few bucks off the rate, but since the rate is already so low, it don't take much to add up to 13%.

I don't see the big deal if you're already eatin' ramen, driving a rusted-out 1982 Datsun B210 "babe magnet", and sharing a 2BR apartment with 6 others.

"$3/hr paycut" doesn't sound bad enough......... "13%" sounds better to disguise ALPA's unfair demand for a wage which reflects record profits at a growing company.

Ummmm....13% is 13%

Regardless of the payrate

Get it?

 

[asayankee]

How about this.....$3/hr is roughly $3,000-$5000 by the end of the year. How many of us poor FO's can afford that? I know I can't

 

[sweptback]

Look at the pay summary. The company proposal pay is $3-4/hr below CHQ, a company not known for having stellar payrates to begin with. How does this convince me to get behind the company's proposal? Simply, it doesn't.

Also, read the open items summary. Except for a few sections, the ASA company proposal is concessionary compared to other airlines. Again, not putting their proposal in the best light.

They paycut for the FOs is a joke. These poor guys are already scraping by, and with the slow upgrade times at ASA, good FO pay is a requirement here.

Anybody who knows me would know that I was already in favor of the strike vote. This just reinforced my beliefs.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Just shows me what a piece of sh!t Mesa is.

 

[gcaflyer]

Lets not forget that the 50/ATR FO's will not get any raise for 8-10 years under the companies current proposal. Before anyone says it, I did know what I was getting into when I came here, just not how long it would be the way it is. Definitely worth trying to make it better for those that follow. Strike vote now!

 

[outtahere]

Let me just say that I think ALPA's proposal is right on the money. The company can go to hell and take their airplanes with them!

 

[fsworld]

I was voting no for a strike until I read this. Does the company want us to strike? I cant think of another reason they would publish something like this. Like someone said, it puts us below everyone in almost every section. It will be a cold day in hell before I take a contract thats less that CHQ. Thank you management for convincing me to change my mind and vote yes.

 

[Smacktard]

The company proposal pay is $3-4/hr below CHQ, a company not known for having stellar payrates to begin with.

As previsouly stated, anything with less than what we make now will be a YES vote to strike. If we need to become more competitive, start at the top and work down.

#1 - Upper management takes at least a 3-5% cut in salaries AND a 20-40% cut in bonuses.

#1.2 The rest of management is forced to compete for their job with SkyWest counterparts. May the best 'thing' (I can't say Man or Woman, that would be too respectful) win.

#2 - The inefficiencies that plague our operations are AT LEAST addressed.

#3 - Fuel initiatives are implemented WITH pilot support.

#4 - Scheduling more efficiently uses reserves to prevent extending of line pilots and the 50% penalty that goes along with it (time and half for extension).

#5 - They give me a bonus for being a genius and BL has to personally call me and thank me for my insight. Additionally, I want this message on my voice mail so I can play it back at will and pat myself on the back in front of others.

#6 - How about a dam.n airport discount too. I want at least 5% off of Atlanta Bread Company.

 

[Medeco]

I am beginning to think they do want us to strike too.

Remember SMAckTard, ASA/SKYWEST has no fuel implications in the DCI contract, Delta pays us 100% for all fuel expenses. Obviously, we want Delta to survive and this is our motivation to save fuel, but it has zero impac on Skywest and ASA profits.

Exactly as said before, 13% is 13% regardless of the dollars is translates into. Yes ALPA uses this because it has more impact, but it does not change my mind.

Guys, just remember this is the company trying to divide and conqure, and trying to have an impact on a strike vote.

My plan, is to attend the meeting, ask hard questions, demand real answers, and reinforce to CT and SH that they can respectfully KISS MY ARSE.

Remember, CT stated in his latest love letter , that he thought the deal was VERY FAIR!!!!!

NOT.

Medeco

 

[WWEfan]

Wow. The company is realling showing their ass with this. They admittedly propose rates that are below the industry average? Well thanks for telling me how much you value my employment.

Anyway, sure our PROPOSED rates are high and the company's rates are low. I'm certain there is middle ground somewhere. I just know I wont be voting for any paycuts.

Oh, one more thing. Damn, Mesa's contract really sucks.

 

[Smacktard]

Remember SMAckTard, ASA/SKYWEST has no fuel implications in the DCI contract, Delta pays us 100% for all fuel expenses. Obviously, we want Delta to survive and this is our motivation to save fuel, but it has zero impac on Skywest and ASA profits.

The only point I would have to counter to this is that if we reduced Delta's fuel bill significantly, when we renegotiate the contract, we'd be in a better position because our cost would be that much lower to them. We'd be getting a 'credit' so to speak. Not that they're in the business of handing out credits, but it would offset cuts in other areas of the renegotiated contract.

 

[OCP]

#6 - How about a dam.n airport discount too. I want at least 5% off of Atlanta Bread Company.

Got a discount at the T terminal the other day. Too bad we're never over there!

 

[SuperKooter]

70 and 50 FO rates should be the same.