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siucavflight

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Maybe I am crazy, but I had a class coming up with NetJets and I turned it down, actually talked with Dorinda today and told her that I would not be accecpting a position in the company. I had a job offer out in Dubai an I am going to take it, they are a newer fractional BEX-air http://www.bexair.com/ I was feeling pretty secure with my decision earlier, but I know that I am going to have a tough time sleeping tonight.
What do you guys think? Am I crazy? I am single, and have really nothing tying me down here in Chicago, I will be working six weeks in Dubai, then four weeks off, they will buy me a ticket to and from Dubai during all of my four week off stretches, starting pay is 12,500 a month, and 100 dollars a day per-diem for every day that you are not on your 4 week off stretch, plus 35,000 a year for living expenses.
Anyone done anything like this before? I am nervous.
 
Good luck on it. It depends on where your priorities are. I'm hoping for a Net Jets or CS job in the bear future.

PS Something that sounds too good to be true, usual is.
 
Good luck on it. It depends on where your priorities are. I'm hoping for a Net Jets or CS job in the bear future.

PS Something that sounds too good to be true, usual is.
I dont know if it sounds too good to be true, it is just different.
 
shame they wasted the interview slot.

Makes it tough for everyone trying to get hired.

Your other choice is so far from the "norm" i'd be very skeptical.

If you haven't spent time there, you should do some research and go see for yourself.

A startup in a country where you have no rights........
 
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Bexair has many issues. Bexair has rules under the Bahrain CAA ANTP manual, its own ops manual, ie: duty time limits, etc. but ignores all of them. The head of the CAA looks the other way, so it appears someone may be contributing to his retirement account.

Bexair's CL604 has a record for the fewest maintenance writeups in the Bombardier Challenger fleet. If one looks in Bexair's flight time writeup sheets one will hardly ever find a writeup.

Bexair will fly their aircraft in an unworthy condition, which is why they never write anything up. With no writeups it is always airworthy as far as the MEL is concerned.

Bexair never does weight and balance computations.

Bexair has either current charts, out of date charts, no charts, and does not have a record in any of their aircraft to see what is or is not. CL604, Citation bravo, 560XL.

Bexair's dispatchters are not qualified dispatchers.

Bexair is top heavy in help and management, their overhead is tremendous, and dominated by Indian and Pakistani managers.
these people are of a different culture than westerners, and one learns rather quickly to not ask, just do. Anyone not raised in the UK, Canada, or the US learns very quickly the march is to a different tune.


Bexair pilots are the last to know. A flight attendent will know a schedule before the pilot.

A pilot at Bexair is a camel driver with no respect. Top management will tell a camel driver how important such and such a pax is, but never tell a pilot he is doing a good job.

Pilots do not have saudi visas. Evertime one goes to saudi, like 8 times a week as the 604 is based in jeddah. it will take anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour to get a visa. This cuts in to the crews rest time. typically one departs for the airport 2 and one half hours before departure, however ones duty time starts one hour before departure. it should be noted the extra time here is not in favor of the crew. 30 minutes after shutdown is end of duty, however one is lucky to leave one hour after shutdown.

Some of the senior Bexair pilots are cowboys. They never say no. If one is a cowboy pilot, does not care about any rules, then Bexair is the place to go.

Bexair's marketing department calls all the shots. They make the deals. the more deals marketing makes, the more commision they make, and the more the pilots fly.

Bexair is always short on pilots. Pilots either quit when they learn there are no rules, or Bexair fires people who bring up the rules. Bexair will pay a contract pilot 17,000 dollars etc. for a one month gig, while their own pilots get what is indicated below.

Bexair pilots receive 6,000 per month for 2 months, then 6,000 for one's month off. they also pay 72.00 per day perdium during the 2 months. In Bexair's rulebook, one is on call everyday for 60 days, which is in direct conflict of their own ops manual and also the Bahrain CAA manual.

Bexair's most senior advisor to the owner, a retired gentleman of pakistani descent at 78, quit 2 weeks ago as he got fed up with Bexair's complete disregard to play by bthe rules.

I survived at Bexair for 42 days in their 604, and walked away out of their lack of standards.

Once again if one is a cowboy and likes flying, jump aboard, and you professional pilots stsy away.

While this appears negative in content, it is accurate.

Interesting
 
I hope you like living in the sand box and like eating things you can't pronounce.

Not for me, but good luck anyway.:)
 
I do not feel that an interview slot with a job turned down is a waste, as it is a time for both parties to decide if it is right for them.
I have done a lot of research and have read a few of the negatives, and while I respect the above posted I do have friends there who really say positive things. And either the above is very old, or something does not add up, as the contract I am holding states that my pay will be 12,500 dollars per month, and exactly 100 dollars per day in per-diem. The six weeks on, you are on, they own you. But my friends there do say that out of the 42 days that they are on they are flying an average of 28 days. And have never heard anything about being treated poorly by any of the passengers, and they are actually receiving very, very large tips, some guys claim that they are doubling their salary on tips.
If I go and dont like it I do have the opportunity to take my class with NetJets.
 
Good luck. I have been to Dubai and have friends at Emirates. If you are not a wealthy tourist or a wealthy local you are just the help and treated like servants.

Who cares though, have fun and enjoy being youthful and single.
 
As we all know, there are some folks who dont much care for us types over there. Might want to invest in a very thick steel necklace....one which a knife wont cut through. Good luck out there in the sandbox.
 
As we all know, there are some folks who dont much care for us types over there. Might want to invest in a very thick steel necklace....one which a knife wont cut through. Good luck out there in the sandbox.
Dubai is very different then what you may think it is, I have been there twice in the last two months, I actually like it quite a bit.
 
Dubai is very different then what you may think it is, I have been there twice in the last two months, I actually like it quite a bit.

The country is pretty neat. They know their oil moola will run out soon so they are investing everything they have into tourism. Its a very safe place.
 
Good luck.. It is hard to look at a job from all angles and "know" what you are getting into.... part of a new job is saying F%$# it and going to try it out...

Do I think you are crazy for going to the Middle east chasing the dollar and passing on a NJ number? NOT ONLY YES BUT HELL FREAKING YES...

When I was furloughed from Continental express after 9/11 I could not find any flying work.. i ended up throwing bags on the ramp for a year.. in that year, I applied for a job flying fo on a corporate emb 145 in Equitorial Guinnea (sp?) Africa... Hind sight 20/20 I must have been crazy... I would probably be dead right now had I taken that job...

The problem with working in the middle east is that if you look at the wrong person the wrong way, or get caught with GOD FORBBID a bottle of Jack... OFF WITH THE HANDS....

The money sounds good but the problem is you might need to spend 10k of that 12.5k on a personal security detail...

All in all I think that we take our freedoms and laws for granted here in the US..... But who am I.. I dont know you.. you might be in the market for beautiful persian woman.... All I can say is GOOD LUCK AND DONT DRINK ALCOHOL IF YOU LIKE YOUR HANDS

PS how are you able to keep your class at NJ?
 
Well if thats your picture on the avitar

You won't be a pilot long.

2 trips to Dubai? Well you must have it down "pat".

There is a whole western culture there that Dubai has created to attract people like you.

You won't live like a king on that salary, but you will live like a king when you get home.

One last thing, I have never met friendlier Chineese, Russian, and African woman in the bars.

It will be hot beyond your comprehension in about a month.

If your a yound single guy it will probably be great.

When you are older I would think you would want the long term longjevity of Netjets.

Whatever choice you made my friend is the right choice for you!

Good luck.
 
I think you're crazy. Just the fact that you had to ask, and here you are defending your decision, that tells me you are not 100% sure.

Ask yourself this question, in about 3-4 years, when the long commute, the weather in Dubai, and Dubai get old, where are you going to go? what are you going to do? Read comments of people who've been at Emirates for 3-4 years, not good.

I'd gone to NJ, but everyone is different, and this is your life. Best of luck on this venture.
 
My friend,

Depending on how young and single you are, this could be a tremendous adventure!! You only live once, and life is more about the experiences you have than the money you make (IMHO).

A long time ago, when I was around 20, I had the opportunity to take a job in Australia flying planes for a cargo company. At the time, I had no money (the company wasn't offering to pay for the move), didn't know anyone in Australia, and was sure my family would not support my move to such a far location (I would need their support because I'd need money for the move and initial setup down there). So I turned it down.
Later, when I told my family about the offer, they rebuked me for not taking the job. Told me it would've been a great life experience for me to live there for a year or two, and of course they would've helped me with any moving expenses! All I had to do was ask!

The path I ended up on landed me here at NJA, so I can't say it was a totally poor decision. Had I taken the job, who knows where I would've ended up later. Maybe here. Maybe hopping from one airline that went bankrupt to another. But to this day, I think I should have done it. It's one of the few regrets I have in life. I was young and single, and had a zest for adventure that you couldn't beat! And also, to this day, I still haven't visited Australia.

Now having said all that, a few things to remember:

1) Saudi Arabia isn't Australia. I've heard it's an interesting place, but the rules sound a little scary. And if you're a young, personable, and reasonably good-looking person, you should be able to get laid anywhere, so I'm not sure friendly women is a good reason to take a job like this.

2) One of the things I didn't mention in my story, is that I was a relatively low-time pilot when it took place, and the airlines weren't hiring much back then. So would I have taken the position in Australia if I had also been offered a job with one of the major airlines back then (back then, being an airline pilot was my main goal)? I doubt it. You've been offered a position with the most stable and profitable fractional provider in the world (again with the caveat that no one can see perfectly into the future. Maybe it won't be that way 10 years from now, but we can all only go by the facts currently at hand. That makes NJA a pretty good bet). Should you be passing on a truly good position for more of an unknown? Only you can decide, but you should definitely give it a little more thought.

3) Whatever you decide, remember to take into account the world situation, as well as economics and adventure. Will you be flying to places where Americans are hated even more than in Saudi Arabia (yes, we aren't too well liked there)? What if things get to the point where the state department advises all US citizens in the Middle East to leave? I doubt I had to worry much about being the victim of violence against Americans had I gone to Australia.

Good luck in whatever you finally do!! Ahhh, to be young and single again!!! (Well, at least the young part. I do miss being 21! In my upper 30's now, and it's not half as much fun as others would have you believe.:laugh: ) Keep us posted as to how it's going if you go over there.
 
I appreciate the info, and yes it will be an adventure. What happens when I get sick of it? Well I walk away with a few type ratings, tons of international flying experience and lots of money put away.

Someone asked what happens when I get caught with a bottle of Jack? Well I do not know that it is the big deal that everyone thinks it is, the hotel that I stayed at had just as many bars on the street as I can find on a Memphis overnight. And yes the girls are friendly, extremely friendly, it the two weeks I have spent out there I did extremely well! I am excited to go, and am looking forward to the experience.

And one other thing, for everyone here that seems to think that Dubai is in Saudi Arabia it is not, it is in the United Arab Emirates, a very westernized country.
 
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And one other thing, for everyone here that seems to think that Dubai is in Saudi Arabia it is not, it is in the United Arab Emirates, a very westernized country.

Yeah, my bad. I just went back an re-read what I posted. Caught the error but you've already pointed out the mistake.:0

Nevertheless, the gist of it still stands.

I will say that if the friendliness of the women over there really is a factor in your decision, you aren't giving this the serious consideration that you should. Sex happens anywhere (and everywhere!!). Not a good criteria for ANY job. That being said, it's only been learned through experience. Thinking back on my 20's, it would've been tough for me to NOT factor in extra friendly women as a job 'perk'.:cool:

Good luck! If nothing else you've got some great life experiences ahead of you! And if it doesn't work out, I'm sure NJA will still be here for you to apply with in the future.
 
Ha, no I did not seriously consider the women in my decision. (OK maybe a little bit)
Ill be leaving Friday, Ill keep in touch and let you guys know how its going.
And fortunately I have some pretty serious contacts at NJA I was told that if I want the job in the future to just call her back, go through a few formalities and get into class.
 
Maybe I am crazy, but I had a class coming up with NetJets and I turned it down, actually talked with Dorinda today and told her that I would not be accecpting a position in the company. I had a job offer out in Dubai an I am going to take it, they are a newer fractional BEX-air http://www.bexair.com/ I was feeling pretty secure with my decision earlier, but I know that I am going to have a tough time sleeping tonight.
What do you guys think? Am I crazy? I am single, and have really nothing tying me down here in Chicago, I will be working six weeks in Dubai, then four weeks off, they will buy me a ticket to and from Dubai during all of my four week off stretches, starting pay is 12,500 a month, and 100 dollars a day per-diem for every day that you are not on your 4 week off stretch, plus 35,000 a year for living expenses.
Anyone done anything like this before? I am nervous.

You DARED turned down the sacred NJA offer?
You must be crazy...
Don't you know NJA is today's best thing since UAL?
They are paid the best, get to kiss the best a$$es, get to eat the best crew meals...
Don't you know 100 year old Warren Buffett owns NJA and he's going to live forever, and anyone who follows will be specially programmed to do exactly as he has done (just erase the last 20 years of pilot pay from your mind)?
Don't you know the best of the best wealthy they drool over will never EVER cut back on private flying, no matter how high oil is or how many of their companies tank in this increasingly poor economy?
Don't you know anyone who turns them down must be an idiot and anyone who thinks differently about their company "must have been turned down" there?:smash:
There. I must have have saved 17 pages or so of clutter from this thread.
Congrats and good luck to you. Take the adventures while you can, so you don't end up like 80 percent of the NJA guys on here who have to try and justify THEIR inner voices by expressing the above 24/7 on a message board, rather than getting out and enjoying the life they claim so many should aspire to. :eek:
Carry on.
 
You DARED turned down the sacred NJA offer? ...
There. I must have have saved 17 pages or so of clutter from this thread.

:laugh: Nicely played!


SIU: NetJets is a good job and a good place to hang your hat, but it's not the only place. And it may not be the best job for you. Enjoy the adventure! The safe path is rarely the most interesting.


The best job for me is one that involves drinking margaritas at a tiki hut on some tropical island 24 hours a day. As I haven't found that job yet, I'll enjoy this one.

Keep us posted!
 
With advice from guys whos names are realityman and voice of reason how can I go wrong?
 
:laugh: Nicely played!


SIU: NetJets is a good job and a good place to hang your hat, but it's not the only place. And it may not be the best job for you. Enjoy the adventure! The safe path is rarely the most interesting.


The best job for me is one that involves drinking margaritas at a tiki hut on some tropical island 24 hours a day. As I haven't found that job yet, I'll enjoy this one.

Keep us posted!
You could go to Eagle and fly ATRs out of SJU.
 
:laugh: Nicely played!


SIU: NetJets is a good job and a good place to hang your hat, but it's not the only place. And it may not be the best job for you. Enjoy the adventure! The safe path is rarely the most interesting.


The best job for me is one that involves drinking margaritas at a tiki hut on some tropical island 24 hours a day. As I haven't found that job yet, I'll enjoy this one.

Keep us posted!

Keep ME posted on THAT job, lol. I'm definitely in! :D
 

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