Just got furloughed from dayjet!

[skyrider1016]

First of all publishers, although you seem to know quite a bit about the industry in general, you are missing the point. At dayjet pilots report to a non pilot base manager not to a chief pilot like everywhere else. This individual at BCT along with other non pilot management types, decided who got the boot, which included myself and two other check airmen who had been with the company since last summer, while guys who i just trained in the sim last month still have a job. Thats unfair any which way you look at it, word going around is that in my case i expressed my concern about our lack of a payscale and no plans on giving us raises anytime soon. Mind you that I only expressed that to other pilots i flew with while in the cockpit and while hanging out with them, which leads me to think that some big mouthed pro-management rat must have done his thing. If so congrats and just remember that what goes around comes around. Netjets wife thanks for your support and kind words, dont worry about the negative comments some post here about you.

 

[skyrider1016]

And yes publishers they did lay off completely out of seniority, I was there so i know and close to 30 of the layoffs were pilots. Alot of good guys and very good pilots with lots of experience were cut loose, and all that is gonna do now of course is that those that remain have absolutely no clue what to expect from management, so they will now be afraid to write up airplanes, voice any safety concerns regarding equipment or perhaps fatigue and so on.Thats what management wanted unfortunately, no different than any other scumbag aviation outfit.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Gender bias? How did you come up with gender bias? Making a derogatory remark about your gender never crossed my mind because it's irrelevant. I guess it fits your M.O., though - always the victim. Anyway, you were sympathizing with Skyrider in your first post - even though it included your usual union plug. Now you're just trying to tell everyone how it is or should be at DayJet when you have no clue - you haven't worked there or walked a mile in their shoes. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish.

To the DayJet folks out there - sorry to hear about the turn of events. I've talked to a few of your pilots in BCT and they seemed to enjoy it there. I wish you all the best of luck.

Excellent post, though futile toward NJW...she'll never get it...yes, always the victim...couldn't be that she's just an ignoramus in general. Seriously, the sooner you put her on ignore, the higher the iq level gets in here (with a couple random fly-by exceptions).
She is on here 24/7...I kid you not...desperate to make every topic and every thread about her or NetJets.

 

[dime line]

Excellent post, though futile toward NJW...she'll never get it...yes, always the victim...couldn't be that she's just an ignoramus in general. Seriously, the sooner you put her on ignore, the higher the iq level gets in here (with a couple random fly-by exceptions).
She is on here 24/7...I kid you not...desperate to make every topic and every thread about her or NetJets.

Nice, you and B19 get off on a little lonely wife getting under your skin. Nice. The real point here is a pilot that has been with a company for a while has been laid off, and out of senority, which you seem to think is fine.

You say she will never get it...I say you will never get

 

[johnsonrod]

First of all publishers, although you seem to know quite a bit about the industry in general, you are missing the point. At dayjet pilots report to a non pilot base manager not to a chief pilot like everywhere else. This individual at BCT along with other non pilot management types, decided who got the boot, which included myself and two other check airmen who had been with the company since last summer, while guys who i just trained in the sim last month still have a job. Thats unfair any which way you look at it, word going around is that in my case i expressed my concern about our lack of a payscale and no plans on giving us raises anytime soon. Mind you that I only expressed that to other pilots i flew with while in the cockpit and while hanging out with them, which leads me to think that some big mouthed pro-management rat must have done his thing. If so congrats and just remember that what goes around comes around. Netjets wife thanks for your support and kind words, dont worry about the negative comments some post here about you.

That sucks any way you look at it. To be honest, you are probably better off leaving a place like that if that is how it treats its senior employees... Consider it a mixed blessing. Plus, there are many better jobs out there - you already have Lear and Falcon time. And now you have good glass experience in an Eclipse. There are plenty of air ambulence Lear jobs out there as an interim position while you look for better.

Sure, it's not the best market but you have some solid experience and a good chance of finding a much better job. Any operator paying $50K for a jet pilot PIC (regardless of the size of the jet) should be avoided. Good luck.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Nice, you and B19 get off on a little lonely wife getting under your skin. Nice. The real point here is a pilot that has been with a company for a while has been laid off, and out of senority, which you seem to think is fine.

Do you even KNOW how to read? How many times is this? READ before you post. As I have said MANY times before, B19 is also on ignore. And WHERE the F you got I think its okay to lay off on seniority...well, you're just smoking something.:smash:

 

[Paradoxus]

yeah....about that...

Jesus...the amount of management apologists here is almost as outrageous as DayJets' sense of ethics in cutting people loose.

The NJwife and other outsiders may not be privy to the sacred, cloistered, and no doubt COMPLETELY unique *cough* situations at operations like DayJets, however this hardly precludes her or anyone else from adequately judging this situation as staggeringly unacceptable.

So what if she constanly hawks the NJA model? It isn't exactly a bad example for other operators to follow.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

And WHERE the F you got I 'think its okay to lay off on seniority'...well, you're just smoking something.:smash:

typo...should say OUT OF seniority...won't let me edit

 

[brokeflyer]

no pilot job should be accepted for less than 70k per year for a 1 yr SIC.....anything less and your just hurting the rest of us.

 

[B19 Flyer]

First come, first served is such a wide-spread practice in our society that we look for it to be used in situations where we expect people to receive even-handed treatment.

First come, first serve is the best way to buy concert tickets and eat at McDonalds.

When your husband was going through flight school, I'm certain he wasn't chosen to fly fighters because he was first in line, it was because the Air Force felt he was suited to fly fighters. In the military, they can make the choice to assign pilots to the equipment they are best suited for. That doesn't work in the union world. Seniority rules in the union world,regardless of the talent level.

When trying to keep a fledgling company alive and layoffs are forced to prevent the entire company from failing, it makes perfect sense to keep the absolute best pilots available that fit the company profile. Is it popular? No, it's not, but the reality is that if you have a small pool of employees to draw from, you want to attempt to keep the best possible employees you can.

As I've stated before in your opinions, you don't understand the principals of basic business. You don't choose the best employees by taking first come, first served. You choose the best by performance, and knowing the folks I do down there I can assure you that none of it came easy.

 

[imacdog]

Hey B19, if DayJet is nonunion, why are they shrinking in the first place? After all, there's no evil union involved to hinder progress.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Hey B19, if DayJet is nonunion, why are they shrinking in the first place? After all, there's no evil union involved to hinder progress.

The only chance they have for survival is because they don't have a union. If they survive through these tough times, it will be because they can run the company as it needs to be run without the interferance of a CBA.

Remember, the single biggest concern that I echo through all of my opinions is that unions hinder the ability of a company to operate when times are tough due to inaction.

Right now because Dayjet is non-union, they have the ability to hand pick the best employees and act quickly to keep the company alive. That's a very sound management group there and the decision to layoff anybody didn't come easy. However, if they survive through all of this, that will be one of the many factors that allowed the company to continue to operate.

If they had a CBA and couldn't quickly adjust to the market pressures, they wouldn't stand any chance at all.

 

[imacdog]

I totally agree B19. Unions are evil. How dare they ask for reasonable compensation, defined work rules, and seniority rights.

 

[Diesel]

Yeah that damn union at netjets got it record profits this year.

 

[gunfyter]

I can't read any of 19's posts since I have him ignored.

But I would stipulate that the profits at NJ are due to the great work of our Wonderful Management... if he would also agree that the losses and shrinking at other companies are due to their crappy management....

You can't have it both ways chief.