Just a friendly reminder to Skywest Folks...

[XPOO]

Read it again. Its says its bad but even worse if non-union.

Just injecting some humor into the thread. Chill.

 

[thepotato232]

I have no clue what you mean here, but SkyWest has at least 4 more years of certainty under its' belt. Their first contract expires in 2013.

Whew, a contract! Crisis averted.

Oh, wait...
Maybe not.
Never mind.

I've never been one to refer to the OO pilot group by the usual beverage-related slight, but you need a serious reality check if you're still using the word "certainty" in this industry.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Can he at least spell "lose" properly? As in, not spelling it "loose"?

What??? Huh??? Ich verstehe kein Wort. What the h*11 are you talking about Willis???

 

[M-crit]

Whew, a contract! Crisis averted.

Oh, wait...
Never mind.

There's no such thing as a "contract" in the airline industry. Its a formality at best.

 

[007]

While I think this type of behavior is disgusting, I also think this post is BS, just flamebait. I highly doubt anyone from Skywest is acting this way, atleast to the degree this post makes it to be.

Who should we bash tomorrow?

Unfortunately it's true. It's happened to me, i told him to sit in the back.

 

[XPOO]

Whew, a contract! Crisis averted.

Oh, wait...
Never mind.

I've never been one to refer to the OO pilot group by the usual beverage-related slight, but you need a serious reality check if you're still using the word "certainty" in this industry.

Yes, I see your point, contracts with majors are the same as contracts with LCCs. Thanks.

 

[XPOO]

What??? Huh??? Ich verstehe kein Wort. What the h*11 are you talking about Willis???

I shouldn't even have to explain this to you, but....

Lose - as in, "I hope no one will lose any flying."

Loose - as in, "I hope there's no loose language in your contract."

Quite a few of you are unsure which word to use, and when, on almost a daily basis. I was insinuating that this should be a prerequisite for being hired and was meant purely in jest.

 

[thepotato232]

Yes, I see your point, contracts with majors are the same as contracts with LCCs. Thanks.

No, I'm saying that these "iron-clad" contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on in the current environment. Do you think any of us are immune?

 

[XPOO]

No, I'm saying that these "iron-clad" contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on in the current environment. Do you think any of us are immune?

I agree, nothing is iron-clad certain in this industry. But, you then can agree that SkyWest, Inc. is "most likely" the best situated regional right now and that was my main point.

 

[thepotato232]

I agree, nothing is iron-clad certain in this industry. But, you then can agree that SkyWest, Inc. is "most likely" the best situated regional right now and that was my main point.

Yeah, and last month everyone was saying RAH was. You may remember certain members of our pilot group (no doubt stricken with anal glaucoma) bragging about our six "secure" code share contracts. Didn't take long to change, did it?

I agree, SKW probably is the most secure code share regional right now. That's kind of like winning a wet t-shirt contest in a mastectomy ward.

Back to the topic though, If these are actual events rather than the usual inflammatory rumors, then that's some pretty shameless predatory behavior that is a massive slap to the face for a pilot group that has enough to worry about anyway.

 

[pilotlbs]

I understand you guys are excited about recent events between your company and mine. But for the few of you that have wanted to sit in the jumpseat when there are plenty of seats in the back and then proceed to talk about how you just want to "look things over" has got to stop. You are only wearing out your jumpseat welcome as some of our colleagues are potentially looking at a furlough. Very unprofessional of you. This has only happened to me once, but I have heard it from other captains and FO's. Please be respectful. That is all.

- An XJT Pilot

Are you kidding me? Good lord people come on that's rediculous. Let them work and complain if they want to. I don't want people coming into my jumpseat saying lets discuss things, no I'm here to work and go home let them be.

 

[willNOTfly4free]

If this is happening at all it may be that SkyWest pilots want to get a good look at an ERJ because there are strong indications that we will have ERJ's soon (not necessarily from XJT). They are probably just trying to get a feel for the ERJ in case a transition opportunity comes along. I can't blame you XJT guys for being paranoid because the future of your company seems uncertain. On the other hand, SkyWest Inc has many irons in the fire right now leaving SkyWest pilots uncertain about their future career path as well.

Regardless of what was intended, a comment such as that is disrespectful and arrogant given the current situation between the two companies.

Even I, Mr. Joe-Shmoe corporate pilot, understand this.

 

[rickair7777]

It's not flame bait at all. It's happening. I wish it wasn't. If I was trying to bait someone, I wouldn't have worded things as delicately and professionally as I did.

Honestly, it seems pretty far-fetched. But I'm a SKW pilot, and would be quite embarassed if this actually happened. I'd be amazed if it happened more than once.

If you don't mind, please PM me the guy's name...I'll keep it 100% confidential, but maybe I know the guy, or I'll ask around discreetly and see if this is the kind of guy who might actually do something like this. I'll report back either way.

Thanks

 

[7dustfan]

I understand you guys are excited about recent events between your company and mine. But for the few of you that have wanted to sit in the jumpseat when there are plenty of seats in the back and then proceed to talk about how you just want to "look things over" has got to stop. You are only wearing out your jumpseat welcome as some of our colleagues are potentially looking at a furlough. Very unprofessional of you. This has only happened to me once, but I have heard it from other captains and FO's. Please be respectful. That is all.

- An XJT Pilot

I agree. That is indeed a classless, thoughtless thing to ask to sit in jump to check out the operation given the XJT pilots' situation. But I am sure this would happen if the roles were reversed too. I would wager every airline has at least a few of these types- only thinking about themselves and not understanding the consequences of their actions-getting caught up in the excitement, etcc.. . SkyWest just happens to be in an exciting position in an not too exciting period in the industry. Don't fault a young pilot's excitement because alot don't quite get the picture. They will mature and learn someday. The captain could politely give them his point of view of the situation, then maybe the jumpseater would understand a little better. But if the jumpseater new better, like 99% of SKYW would, then he can eat sh!t!!

 

[SkyNation]

rickair7777

please forward me the info if you get it. my bet is you won't.

 

[AWACO]

If SKYW INC did buy XJT why would seniority list ever merge? ASA is ALPA and SKYW is not, they are not merged? If XJT was stapled to the top or bottom of either list it would create HUGE displacements with HUGE training cost. Does anyone really think that St George would ever let that happen? Now if SKYW INC does buy XJT I am sure there will be layoffs at XJT due to branded flying going away but from what I understand that operation is being reduced as we speak anyhow. The only people to be truly screwed buy SKYW INC buying XJT are those employed in the XJT management department, but honestly who cares about them anyhow! Im sure their golden parachutes will save them.

People need to understand SKYW INC is not SKYW Airlines. It is a capital group that owns other companies. There is ZERO possibility of SkyWest Airlines buying anything other than a ground power cart.

And as far as some 'alleged' SKYW pilots talking ******************** about getting additional flying at the expense of others I call bull********************. Almost every pilot here came from one of the other carriers, they get it.

 

[Caflying]

If SKYW INC did buy XJT why would seniority list ever merge? ASA is ALPA and SKYW is not, they are not merged? If XJT was stapled to the top or bottom of either list it would create HUGE displacements with HUGE training cost. Does anyone really think that St George would ever let that happen? Now if SKYW INC does buy XJT I am sure there will be layoffs at XJT due to branded flying going away but from what I understand that operation is being reduced as we speak anyhow. The only people to be truly screwed buy SKYW INC buying XJT are those employed in the XJT management department, but honestly who cares about them anyhow! Im sure their golden parachutes will save them.

People need to understand SKYW INC is not SKYW Airlines. It is a capital group that owns other companies. There is ZERO possibility of SkyWest Airlines buying anything other than a ground power cart.

And as far as some 'alleged' SKYW pilots talking ******************** about getting additional flying at the expense of others I call bull********************. Almost every pilot here came from one of the other carriers, they get it.

Plain and simple. XJT pilots contract provides a scope clause that protects all the flying, airframes, and forces a merger of any airlines owned by the holdings company. merger of seniority lists, most probably DOH. Consequences, SKYW becomes ALPA, XJT contract prevails, better rates, better vaction time, etc....

 

[11thHour]

While I think this type of behavior is disgusting, I also think this post is BS, just flamebait. I highly doubt anyone from Skywest is acting this way, atleast to the degree this post makes it to be.

Who should we bash tomorrow?

You are wrong. It's happening, it happened on my flight just two days ago.

 

[SkyNation]

You are wrong. It's happening, it happened on my flight just two days ago.

please PM me the name of the pilot who "wanted to sit in the jumpseat when there are plenty of seats in the back" and I'll post results here of what he/she has to say about it.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Im a Skywest pilot and i agree with that. It's disappointing that there are any furloughs at any airline.

If Skwest aquires XJ, I hope we all get treated fairly and both companies can become stronger with no furloughs.

I really do appreciate your mature attitude about this, but . . . . would you at least know who you're talking about - XJ is Mesaba. You can buy them if you want.

 

[Nevets]

Still waaaay to early to tell on this deal, but who's to say that it'll be SKYW getting the additional airframes? Theoretically possible that XJT could acquire a/c from SKYW...After all, it is about rates, right? Faced with the prospect of being consumed by a hostile SKYW, there could possibly be a future where XJT becomes a cheaper airline than SKYW. If this made more sense for the folks in Utah, I'd guess that it could happen.

I'd guess that would put a damper on the two-year upgrade party at SKYW...

The way the deal stands now, XJT would fly 205 for CAL and SKW would fly 29 of XJT's ERJs for CAL as well.

XJT could indeed acquire a/c from SKW IF XJT decided to become more "cost competitive." We all know what that means.

 

[AWACO]

The way the deal stands now, ,,,,,,,,,.

What deal are you talking about?

 

[Way2Broke]

The Entitlement Syndrome. He is already disgruntled being an F/O at Cape Air after PFT'ing....F'ing classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIbvLzKQuaQ

(You have to watch his whole series - absolute classic! I can't tell you how many people like this I've met)

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that someone has this. It seems that this guy said some things he felt like taking off the internet. Entitlement is rampant in Cape Cod. Shocking hu?

 

[Future Furlough]

If this is happening at all it may be that SkyWest pilots want to get a good look at an ERJ because there are strong indications that we will have ERJ's soon (not necessarily from XJT).

...Good luck to us all! I hope we all have good answers and information soon. All of these rumors, guesses, half-truths, and rampant paranoia are not helping anyone.

Well, seeing as how Embraer is no longer building the 145, where do they expect to get the airframes? Freedom? Toolbags hopping on airplanes hoping to see "their" future airplane is not helping anyone (assuming this is true).

 

[Fishpaw]

The way the deal stands now, XJT would fly 205 for CAL and SKW would fly 29 of XJT's ERJs for CAL as well.

XJT could indeed acquire a/c from SKW IF XJT decided to become more "cost competitive." We all know what that means.

Just wanted to add that "deal" would only come about if xjt pilots agree to give up scope... which doesn't seem likely.

 

[XPOO]

Then XJT dies by the sword while Uncle Jerry sits idly by waiting for Continental to hand him the aircraft as the contracts expire anyway. Its all win/win for Uncle Jerry.

 

[Flyerdan]

Then XJT dies by the sword while Uncle Jerry sits idly by waiting for Continental to hand him the aircraft as the contracts expire anyway. Its all win/win for Uncle Jerry.

The more I see how these XJT pilots bitch, moan, and whine about this possible deal with SKW Inc., the more I want to see it go down is you state above. They don't seem to acknowledge that their company is going down in flames all by itself. There aircraft are no longer very marketable in the current environment and their management has been throwing money away as fast as they can. The pilot group thinks SKW & ASA pilots should be happy to merge seniority lists with them and share the pain about to be inflicted on them due to the crappy ass way their crappy ass airline has been run. I say keep your scope and independence and go down in one big flame of glory.

In the mean time, if an XJT pilot tries to give me crap and blame me as a SKW pilot I might just bitch slap his arrogant ass!

 

[Klr2land]

Can I hear an AMEM!

Thanks FlyerDan for that rant that was so eloquently stated!

Some guys have more ego than brains, and if you are one that wants to kill the guy throwing you the lifeline, then drown in the water.

 

[gr8dane]

Word is deal is coming minus pilots - more to come. get your resumes in

 

[Fishpaw]

Then XJT dies by the sword while Uncle Jerry sits idly by waiting for Continental to hand him the aircraft as the contracts expire anyway. Its all win/win for Uncle Jerry.

True, that is a possibility and has been considered by many xjt pilots. The problem is that skw's offer gives those who wouldn't get furloughed zero job protection after 12 months. Doesn't seem like much of a "lifeline" does it?

It's also interesting that the skw offer wasn't mentioned at the ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. 2008 Annual Meeting this morning. The discussion was pretty upbeat and the board voted to keep Ream in charge. Strange that the board wouldn't get rid of the guy who has continuously failed to sign a new agreement with continental. Makes you wonder what they're planning.

As it stands now the xjt pilots have had no affect on whether this deal goes through or not. Xjt management already made that decision by not accepting the initial offer. If there is an offer they accept the pilots will have to decide.