Junior Positions by Base Combined NWA/DAL

[Diesel-9]

How about a DFW Base? )

 

[cocknbull]

I am 11,262 out of 12,434.

So does this mean everyone up to 11,881 on the list is sort of protected by that scope language since that is were the NWA guy with your DOE is????

 

[ACL65PILOT]

No. They can furlough all of the 07 and 08 hires independent of that list until SOC. Trust me, if they need to they will before SOC. (a la drag their feet on SOC until the furloughs are done!)

 

[GogglesPisano]

No. They can furlough all of the 07 and 08 hires independent of that list until SOC. Trust me, if they need to they will before SOC. (a la drag their feet on SOC until the furloughs are done!)

Now isn't that a reassuirng thought. Luckily I am drowning out that possibility in Africa right now.

:beer:

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, but the company needed so way to deal with the economic downturn that would not create a lawsuit. Bloch gave them that flexibility.

 

[rf285]

Is this in the cards per say? Furlough before SOC?

 

[relief tube]

60 yr plus "NB captains that won't be able to hold it" - I'm shedding a tear for them. Then they should just retire then and give up on greed.

 

[Linedriver]

60 yr plus "NB captains that won't be able to hold it" - I'm shedding a tear for them. Then they should just retire then and give up on greed.

Dude who cares! Give it up already-it's the law so quit griping about it. I'm tired of reading about the age 65 thing.

Would you retire now if you could work a few extra years to replace some of what you have lost this past year?

Quit thinking about yourself and understand that those captains who continue to work may be forced to, to provide for their family. This past year was hard on EVERYONE.

 

[Full of LUV]

Give me a break.....

Dude who cares! Give it up already-it's the law so quit griping about it. I'm tired of reading about the age 65 thing.

Would you retire now if you could work a few extra years to replace some of what you have lost this past year?

Quit thinking about yourself and understand that those captains who continue to work may be forced to, to provide for their family. This past year was hard on EVERYONE.

Hard on everyone..... there is a difference between seeing your $3million investment portfolio go to $2million and receiving your 3rd notice of possilbe foreclosure due to an unanticipated airline furlough. The guy that turned 60 last December hit the lottery, the guy who turned 61 was booted..... Really, trying to rationalize the biggest screw job in this industry by one generation to the next is really shallow.
It is the law, but lots of injustice is condoned in the law. Just because some 50 year olds lobbied hard enough, with enough dough to get thier way, doesn't make it right, especially the way it was implemented. How about phasing the age limit raise in over a decade, etc. Oh no, that wouldn't work, because those who funded the screwing wouldn't reap enough treasure.

 

[General Lee]

Dude who cares! Give it up already-it's the law so quit griping about it. I'm tired of reading about the age 65 thing.

Would you retire now if you could work a few extra years to replace some of what you have lost this past year?

Quit thinking about yourself and understand that those captains who continue to work may be forced to, to provide for their family. This past year was hard on EVERYONE.

Come on, you are being a wheenie. Hey, maybe we should allow all of the pilots who are under 65 that recently retired at 60 to come BACK to the airlines in their former positions, right? They may have to provide for their families...... Gimmee a break man! They didn't care about the guys ahead of them who left at 60.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FBN0223]

Come on, you are being a wheenie. Hey, maybe we should allow all of the pilots who are under 65 that recently retired at 60 to come BACK to the airlines in their former positions, right? They may have to provide for their families...... Gimmee a break man! They didn't care about the guys ahead of them who left at 60.


Bye Bye--General Lee

There are actually cases where pilots have made bad choice after bad choice or have no life, and now are giving their golden years to an airline.

We have more than a few pilots at NWA who have 25 years of service, a huge pension waiting, and equity from the merger who still hang on, even though every pilot prior to them got out of their way at 60 giving them a great career. Very sad, to say the least.

 

[Linedriver]

Come on, you are being a wheenie. Hey, maybe we should allow all of the pilots who are under 65 that recently retired at 60 to come BACK to the airlines in their former positions, right? They may have to provide for their families...... Gimmee a break man! They didn't care about the guys ahead of them who left at 60.


Bye Bye--General Lee

So are you saying you will retire at 60?

 

[Linedriver]

Hard on everyone..... there is a difference between seeing your $3million investment portfolio go to $2million and receiving your 3rd notice of possilbe foreclosure due to an unanticipated airline furlough. The guy that turned 60 last December hit the lottery, the guy who turned 61 was booted..... Really, trying to rationalize the biggest screw job in this industry by one generation to the next is really shallow.
It is the law, but lots of injustice is condoned in the law. Just because some 50 year olds lobbied hard enough, with enough dough to get thier way, doesn't make it right, especially the way it was implemented. How about phasing the age limit raise in over a decade, etc. Oh no, that wouldn't work, because those who funded the screwing wouldn't reap enough treasure.

The decade thing sounds like it would work but it's hard to staff for a moving target. On top of that you would piss off a group every couple of years.

Look, I'm not for it or against it. It slows me down too but I don't know that I will work past 60. Hopefully out earlier than that. 1/2 the guys I fly with have a side business and the other 1/2 are working on it. If a guy is able to have a backup plan or additional income to provide for his retirement years then he will probably get out early. However, if for some reason another guy has inforseen expenses, divorce, investment loss, special needs child etc, he has the option of making some of that up.

If you are the later guy I'm sure you will be glad you have the opportunity to make that additional million or so the last 5 years.

I don't think moving the retirement age to age 65 would qualify as an injustice.

 

[Willy21]

How about a DFW Base? )

No No No. Growing up as the son of a DFW based Delta pilot and seven years as a Delta ramper at DFW, I always wanted to wear the uniform. If that were to happen I would have to put in an application and I have told myself I am not going to do that. (Since I am tainted fractional material I probably wouldn't get hired anyway when the hiring begins again.)

It is good to see a strong Delta with a good group like Northwest to add value. It would be nice to see more airline tickets on Delta to and from work. Best of luck down the road to all.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

No No No. Growing up as the son of a DFW based Delta pilot and seven years as a Delta ramper at DFW, I always wanted to wear the uniform. If that were to happen I would have to put in an application and I have told myself I am not going to do that. (Since I am tainted fractional material I probably wouldn't get hired anyway when the hiring begins again.)

It is good to see a strong Delta with a good group like Northwest to add value. It would be nice to see more airline tickets on Delta to and from work. Best of luck down the road to all.

We hired plenty for Frac guys last time around. If you do not have the attitude of being a Legacy, I am sure that you will do just fine!

 

[Willy21]

A legacy, that sounds a little over the top. I am just another kid that spent a lot of time at the airport and wanted to fly a jet with a black nose.

 

[Linedriver]

A legacy, that sounds a little over the top. I am just another kid that spent a lot of time at the airport and wanted to fly a jet with a black nose.

If you are interested in the industry, apply - I came from the corporate side. 1/2 of my new hire class was civilian and 10% of the class was corporate.

I think a lot of fractional pilots were hired a few years ago. That's why the fractionals were hiring.

 

[Willy21]

Maybe someday. They have to start hiring first.

 

[Sinca3]

Maybe someday. They have to start hiring first.

Do you by any chance have a brother at DAL?

 

[Willy21]

No brother at DAL.

 

[Whine Lover]

" If you do not have the attitude of being a Legacy..."


Hoover: Kent is a legacy, Otter. His brother was a '59, Fred Dorfman.
Flounder: He said legacies usually get asked to pledge automatically.
Otter: Oh, well, usually. Unless the pledge in question turns out to be a real closet-case.
Otter, Boon: Like Fred.

YKW IKY

 

[Whine Lover]

" I am just another kid that spent a lot of time at the airport and wanted to fly a jet with a black nose."

Well, I guess that's better than wanting to fly a jet with a BROWN-NOSE ...which seems to be very prevalent these days.

( You guys give me too much ammo. STOP...You're killing me. But seriously, I just flew in from Alquippa, and boy are my arms..)

YK JADH

 

[Whine Lover]

" I think a lot of fractional pilots were hired a few years ago. That's why the fractionals were hiring."

THAT...is a Helluva' statement.

You can set your watch by that one.

YKMKR

 

[Whine Lover]

" No brother(s) at DAL."

Racist bastards in the ATL...or Freudian Slip?

You Decide.

Obama 08.

Jesse, get my back...


YKRAMS

 

[patrickdc9]

By doing what - bidding what their senioity can hold?
How are you going to prevent it? Let me guess - you will be one of those little weasles who call the CP and rat out their fellow crew members for not dotting every i or crossing every t? They've seen your kind before.

This airline - all of us - is going to be a much stronger company than either could have been indivdually. We each bring unique strengths and culture to the mix - and that is what it will be - a mix of cultures. If you don't think NWA has a great pilot group you will be suprised. The sooner you get over your xenophobia and corporate racism the happier you will be. We all gained and all lost something in this SLI. Where and how much is in the eyes of the beholder.

For someone who claims to have been in the business a while you seem to have a very little understanding of just how volatile and unpredictable it can be. Fortunes of companies and careers are largely out of your hands, and is more luck and timing than anything. 30 yrs ago there was TWA and PAA and everyone else was an "also ran".

Relax, it's out of your hands, and you have a bright future ahead of you even if it involves a displacement or base move - hopefully it won't. Best to be planning your bidding strategy in both directions - that goes for anyone.

Very good post Fly4hire. I think many people at former NW and Delta would benefit from this wisdom.

And General Lee, since we should all "move on" can you please stop using the pre-SLI, Delta union spin statement that Delta aquired Northwest? I think intelligent people realize that you don't really aquire a company that has more cash on hand then them. Most people, including the arbitrators, understand that this was a "merger of equals", with Delta keeping the name and headquarters. It would go a long way with us former NW pilots because we feel that saying we were "aquired" is condescending and frankly, insults our intelligence.

"As far as what NWA brings to the table and the SLI, it is all over. There is nothing you nor I can do about it. I think we are a better airline now after acquiring NWA. You can dwell on the perceived shortfalls you supposedly received, or you can finally move on. If you were more senior, you might not feel as you do now (I feel I did well overall)." - General Lee

 

[jetjockey#1]

Very good post Fly4hire. I think many people at former NW and Delta would benefit from this wisdom.

And General Lee, since we should all "move on" can you please stop using the pre-SLI, Delta union spin statement that Delta aquired Northwest? I think intelligent people realize that you don't really aquire a company that has more cash on hand then them. Most people, including the arbitrators, understand that this was a "merger of equals", with Delta keeping the name and headquarters. It would go a long way with us former NW pilots because we feel that saying we were "aquired" is condescending and frankly, insults our intelligence.

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

And at the end of the day it does not matter. Each of us got our Seniority number and a joint contract. Lets move on.

 

[Linedriver]

" I think a lot of fractional pilots were hired a few years ago. That's why the fractionals were hiring."

THAT...is a Helluva' statement.

You can set your watch by that one.

YKMKR

Do try to keep up.

Put downs are just not your thing. I'm sure it's much funnier when your wife does it to you.

 

[nwaredtail]

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

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[nwaredtail]

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

Why even respond you guys....