Junior Positions by Base Combined NWA/DAL

[Whine Lover]

" If you do not have the attitude of being a Legacy..."


Hoover: Kent is a legacy, Otter. His brother was a '59, Fred Dorfman.
Flounder: He said legacies usually get asked to pledge automatically.
Otter: Oh, well, usually. Unless the pledge in question turns out to be a real closet-case.
Otter, Boon: Like Fred.

YKW IKY

 

[Whine Lover]

" I am just another kid that spent a lot of time at the airport and wanted to fly a jet with a black nose."

Well, I guess that's better than wanting to fly a jet with a BROWN-NOSE ...which seems to be very prevalent these days.

( You guys give me too much ammo. STOP...You're killing me. But seriously, I just flew in from Alquippa, and boy are my arms..)

YK JADH

 

[Whine Lover]

" I think a lot of fractional pilots were hired a few years ago. That's why the fractionals were hiring."

THAT...is a Helluva' statement.

You can set your watch by that one.

YKMKR

 

[Whine Lover]

" No brother(s) at DAL."

Racist bastards in the ATL...or Freudian Slip?

You Decide.

Obama 08.

Jesse, get my back...


YKRAMS

 

[patrickdc9]

By doing what - bidding what their senioity can hold?
How are you going to prevent it? Let me guess - you will be one of those little weasles who call the CP and rat out their fellow crew members for not dotting every i or crossing every t? They've seen your kind before.

This airline - all of us - is going to be a much stronger company than either could have been indivdually. We each bring unique strengths and culture to the mix - and that is what it will be - a mix of cultures. If you don't think NWA has a great pilot group you will be suprised. The sooner you get over your xenophobia and corporate racism the happier you will be. We all gained and all lost something in this SLI. Where and how much is in the eyes of the beholder.

For someone who claims to have been in the business a while you seem to have a very little understanding of just how volatile and unpredictable it can be. Fortunes of companies and careers are largely out of your hands, and is more luck and timing than anything. 30 yrs ago there was TWA and PAA and everyone else was an "also ran".

Relax, it's out of your hands, and you have a bright future ahead of you even if it involves a displacement or base move - hopefully it won't. Best to be planning your bidding strategy in both directions - that goes for anyone.

Very good post Fly4hire. I think many people at former NW and Delta would benefit from this wisdom.

And General Lee, since we should all "move on" can you please stop using the pre-SLI, Delta union spin statement that Delta aquired Northwest? I think intelligent people realize that you don't really aquire a company that has more cash on hand then them. Most people, including the arbitrators, understand that this was a "merger of equals", with Delta keeping the name and headquarters. It would go a long way with us former NW pilots because we feel that saying we were "aquired" is condescending and frankly, insults our intelligence.

"As far as what NWA brings to the table and the SLI, it is all over. There is nothing you nor I can do about it. I think we are a better airline now after acquiring NWA. You can dwell on the perceived shortfalls you supposedly received, or you can finally move on. If you were more senior, you might not feel as you do now (I feel I did well overall)." - General Lee

 

[jetjockey#1]

Very good post Fly4hire. I think many people at former NW and Delta would benefit from this wisdom.

And General Lee, since we should all "move on" can you please stop using the pre-SLI, Delta union spin statement that Delta aquired Northwest? I think intelligent people realize that you don't really aquire a company that has more cash on hand then them. Most people, including the arbitrators, understand that this was a "merger of equals", with Delta keeping the name and headquarters. It would go a long way with us former NW pilots because we feel that saying we were "aquired" is condescending and frankly, insults our intelligence.

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

And at the end of the day it does not matter. Each of us got our Seniority number and a joint contract. Lets move on.

 

[Linedriver]

" I think a lot of fractional pilots were hired a few years ago. That's why the fractionals were hiring."

THAT...is a Helluva' statement.

You can set your watch by that one.

YKMKR

Do try to keep up.

Put downs are just not your thing. I'm sure it's much funnier when your wife does it to you.

 

[nwaredtail]

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

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[nwaredtail]

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

Why even respond you guys....

 

[clippyrip]

Give it a break. DAL acquired NWA, I don't have to say it, GL doesn't have to say it, Wall Street said it, and all the legal documents reflect an acquisition, not a merger of equals, even the MSP and DTW newspapers call it an acquisition. DAL acquired NWA. Please no more flamebait.

Really? Other than the name which remained Delta, it's mostly FNWA running your shop. Who acquired who?

 

[Linedriver]

Come on guys, they merged the name.

They took the first part of DELTA Airlines and the last part of Northwest AIRLINES.

DELTA AIRLINES.

 

[Full of LUV]

Alpa had an opportunity.....

The decade thing sounds like it would work but it's hard to staff for a moving target. On top of that you would piss off a group every couple of years.

Look, I'm not for it or against it. It slows me down too but I don't know that I will work past 60. Hopefully out earlier than that. 1/2 the guys I fly with have a side business and the other 1/2 are working on it. If a guy is able to have a backup plan or additional income to provide for his retirement years then he will probably get out early. However, if for some reason another guy has inforseen expenses, divorce, investment loss, special needs child etc, he has the option of making some of that up.

If you are the later guy I'm sure you will be glad you have the opportunity to make that additional million or so the last 5 years.

I don't think moving the retirement age to age 65 would qualify as an injustice.

So here you are, ALPA, the largest union in the "airline pilot profession" and you have obviously come to the conclusion that the age 60 retirement is going to fall to the age 65 advocates. Fine! As a professional union, don't you go to all your members and explain that (done). Then you work with congress or the age 65 proponents to MITIGATE the immediate damage to some and windfall to others, afterall you are a union for the WHOLE profession, or just the top 10% captains?
The decade deal would have gone, raise the age by 1 year every two years. After 10 years, age 65 is the new norm. Amount of pilots who receive a huge windfall at the expense of everyone, nearly zero. The 59 year old would have gotten another two years in the seat vs 6. A decade worth of pilots would have eased the transition for the industry.
Sad fact is no one likes to retire. It's admitting that your done, kaput! Almost all 60 year olds are done with the family thing, have more toys than needs, and will just choose to stay on until 65 because that is "what they do". Remember the UAL captain who committed suicide two days after retirement? Not due to financial straights, not due to health, due to the fact that his whole identity for many years had been, hi, I'm chuck, United Airlines Captain.
All airlines have them and despite whatever financial advantage or nonsense it makes to retire at 60, most will stay. Rant over.....

 

[NuGuy]

Come on guys, they merged the name.

They took the first part of DELTA Airlines and the last part of Northwest AIRLINES.

DELTA AIRLINES.

Funny, America West bought USAir, but all the planes say USAir. Valuejet bought AirTran, but all the airplanes say AirTran.

It was a perfect endrun. NWA management and equity holders used DALs own money to buy themselves out, and wound up running the entire show after the fact.

+1 for originality

Nu

 

[PuffDriver]

Funny, America West bought USAir, but all the planes say USAir. Valuejet bought AirTran, but all the airplanes say AirTran.

It was a perfect endrun. NWA management and equity holders used DALs own money to buy themselves out, and wound up running the entire show after the fact.

+1 for originality

Nu

Nice examples. Valujet was known as the people killer and America West is not known to anybody east of the mississippi. Same deal here. Name recognition. Delta acquired NWA. Move on. Your airline was not "all that", except to you.

 

[jetjockey#1]

+1 for originality PuffDriver. LMAO

 

[ACL65PILOT]

So here you are, ALPA, the largest union in the "airline pilot profession" and you have obviously come to the conclusion that the age 60 retirement is going to fall to the age 65 advocates. Fine! As a professional union, don't you go to all your members and explain that (done). Then you work with congress or the age 65 proponents to MITIGATE the immediate damage to some and windfall to others, after all you are a union for the WHOLE profession, or just the top 10% captains?
The decade deal would have gone, raise the age by 1 year every two years. After 10 years, age 65 is the new norm. Amount of pilots who receive a huge windfall at the expense of everyone, nearly zero. The 59 year old would have gotten another two years in the seat vs 6. A decade worth of pilots would have eased the transition for the industry.
Sad fact is no one likes to retire. It's admitting that your done, kaput! Almost all 60 year olds are done with the family thing, have more toys than needs, and will just choose to stay on until 65 because that is "what they do". Remember the UAL captain who committed suicide two days after retirement? Not due to financial straights, not due to health, due to the fact that his whole identity for many years had been, hi, I'm chuck, United Airlines Captain.
All airlines have them and despite whatever financial advantage or nonsense it makes to retire at 60, most will stay. Rant over.....

Great idea, but it is now law and hind sight is 20/20. Good for the senior guys. Bad for the junior ones. Is this anything different than what has been happening since the dawn of aviation??

 

[nonstop]

-1 for approval by jetjockey#1. roflmao

zomg DAL rules NWA drools!!!111one

gtg my moms calling.

 

[licorice]

Funny, America West bought USAir, but all the planes say USAir. Valuejet bought AirTran, but all the airplanes say AirTran.

It was a perfect endrun. NWA management and equity holders used DALs own money to buy themselves out, and wound up running the entire show after the fact.

+1 for originality

Nu

What, DAL management, BOD, and equity/debt holders had nothing to say in this?...no influence?....no input? And, oh yeah, I almost forgot.... was there a pilot group that had any constructive influence? (such influence includes, but is certainly not limited to, proposing the most realistic and fair seniority list merger) How long had RA been gone from NW when he took over Delta?...six years? -Yet he is really NW, I suppose, in the same way the new Secretary of State is really a New Yorker and an Arkansan.(but not a Chicagoan) Was Bastian from NW? was Hauenstein?...Delusions of grandeur, my friend, (much like your seniority list proposal) NW and it's "corporate culture" did not conquer the airline world.......far from it.... In fact, NWA is, as we are speaking, rapidly and inexorably transfiguring itself into a mere "interesting footnote"* in airline history.

*-In later years, labor historians and analysts unanimously regarded the NWA pilot groups' actions and proposals in their 1986 and 2008 mergers as "how not to do a merger" (a phrase evidently attributed to one of NWA's own pilots.)

:smash: :uzi:

 

[nwaredtail]

What, DAL management, BOD, and equity/debt holders had nothing to say in this?...no influence?....no input? And, oh yeah, I almost forgot.... was there a pilot group that had any constructive influence? (such influence includes, but is certainly not limited to, proposing the most realistic and fair seniority list merger) How long had RA been gone from NW when he took over Delta?...six years? -Yet he is really NW, I suppose, in the same way the new Secretary of State is really a New Yorker and an Arkansan.(but not a Chicagoan) Was Bastian from NW? was Hauenstein?...Delusions of grandeur, my friend, (much like your seniority list proposal) NW and it's "corporate culture" did not conquer the airline world.......far from it.... In fact, NWA is, as we are speaking, rapidly and inexorably transfiguring itself into a mere "interesting footnote"* in airline history. :smash: :uzi:

Another post from a junior FO who will watch hundreds of NWA narrowbody guys come in on top of him. My heart bleeds......