Junior Positions by Base Combined NWA/DAL

[Muskycat]

Look right above your reply. He just gave you his number. Incidentally, I think there are 2007 Delta hires now included in that seat reduction list. Correct me if i am wrong.

You're correct.

 

[Fly4hire]

Can't think of any reasonable person who wants to move his faimly to a place where you have to be indoors for at least 6 months a year, otherwise you are risking frost bite, or, better yet, a city with one of the highest crime rates in the country.

You are right - it's terrible here. Stay away, save yourselves! :cartman: I'm not sure who will be left to fly here after everyone bids down to ATL. :bomb:

 

[DBCOOPER]

If we're talking base comparisons, NWA doesn't have a leg to stand on. Everyone in this industry knows that NWA and CO have the worst bases of the legacies. Everyone i know coming up through the ranks chose NWA and CO as their last resort back when everyone was hiring (bases offered was a major reason). This is common knowledge and if you try and dispute this, you are either from MSP or DTW, or you are just B.S.ing yourself. Sorry...

You have 3 freezing cold Northern bases, a small senior rain filled base, and Memphis for God's sake.

Atleast at DL, you have a large Southern City with alot to offer....you can also live in places like Charleston, Savannah, Gulf Coast (quick easy commute to ATL)....CVG is a nice midwestern city with Northern Kentucky which is beautiful and cheap! SLC you have the mountains, Park City, skiing etc...beautiful place. LAX, you can live down in San Diego, Monterrey, shoot the list goes on and on with this one.....NYC, living in Manhatten is something any single guy/girl should do for awhile in their life, i'm not but atleast at DL you have the choice.

It's about options, lots of them all over the country. NWA bases are VERY LIMITED and as a whole, there is no diversity. Now you former NWA guys have a whole lot more to choose from, enjoy!

 

[ThisistheDream]

I hope that there will be more NWA guys based in MSP that go for ATL or SLC, than DAL guys that want MSP. Yeah Msp is very cold in the winter but overall minneapolis has more to offer than most other cities to live. Plymouth MN was voted the #1 place in the US to live in for a family which took into consideration a whole ton of things. Yeah its cold here but its not 90 degrees and humid all summer either like ATL, PHX DFW etc

 

[Sedona16]

Someone took the time to put this together. Gives a good idea of what you can hold/bid/displace to. Bottom number is bottom reserve, and includes total positions equip/base. Enjoy

Combined Pilot Position Report New Seniority Numbers

Permanent Position Total Pilots Most Junior
ANCCA747 80 2399
ANCFO747 60 8130
ANCSO747 75 12385
DTWCA320 305 6693
DTWCA330 184 2408
DTWCA744 195 1787
DTWCA757 255 5396
DTWCADC9 133 9090
DTWFO320 293 12364
DTWFO330 235 8776
DTWFO744 277 8651
DTWFO757 265 12034
DTWFODC9 150 12384
MEMCA320 101 6082
MEMCADC9 37 9078
MEMFO320 103 12377
MEMFODC9 49 12378
MSPCA320 416 7097
MSPCA330 56 599
MSPCA747 29 1886
MSPCA757 245 5016
MSPCADC9 157 8979
MSPFO320 382 12193
MSPFO330 73 8389
MSPFO747 28 9148
MSPFO757 239 11920
MSPFODC9 152 12236
MSPSO747 48 12369
SEACA330 107 2397
SEAFO330 157 8399
ATLCA777 192 2475
ATLCA767-400 174 3333
ATLCA767-300ER 300 4227
ATLCA767/757 423 6346
ATLCA737N 269 6653
ATLCAMD88 441 9122
ATLFO777 191 10505
ATLFO767-400 287 10808
ATLFO767-300ER 485 11997
ATL767/757 437 11813
ATLFO737N 264 11641
ATLFOMD88 380 12401
NYCCA777 37 3382
NYCCA767-300ER 288 6434
NYCCA737N 60 8005
NYCCAMD88 70 10069
NYCFO777 42 10145
NYCFO767-300ER 468 12412
NYCFO737N 47 12106
NYCFOMD88 82 12434
CVGCA767-300ER 16 3872
CVGCA767/757 89 4519
CVGCA737N 63 6073
CVGCAMD88 65 6665
CVGFO767-300ER 15 10340
CVGFO767/757 81 10005
CVGFO737N 65 12424
CVGFOMD88 56 12429
LAXCA767-300ER 42 5603
LAXCA767/757 147 6694
LAXCA737N 49 7012
LAXFO767-300ER 47 11666
LAXFO767/757 137 12397
LAXFO737N 52 12403
SLCCA767/757 99 5029
SLCCA737N 93 6120
SLCCAMD88 92 7148
SLCFO767/757 97 12071
SLCFO737N 86 11723
SLCFOMD88 89 12332

Total 12253

Does anybody know what assumptions were used to put this list together. There are several things on here that make me believe this is not an accurate depiction of the base seniority. As one example if the most Jr F.O.'s in MEM first filled up the DC9 then from there the next more senior went to the A320 why is the jr DC9 guy one number off the jr A320 guy?

Another thing, How is it that a guy who is currently 25 from the bottom on the MD in SLC now shows eight hundred seniority numbers above the bottom MD guy....this is impossible since the majority of NWA guys coming onboard are senior to him. I really dont think this list is accurate and certainly does not seem to factor what is certain to remain higher senority bases such as SLC and LAX. SEA shows up plenty senior though. For all intents and purposes a FDAL guy might as well forget that is even a base. The most jr guy on the A330 there goes more senior than 777 captain anywhere in the FDAL system.

Once airplanes start to move bases this list becomes even less reliable.

 

[fishguy79]

Does anybody know what assumptions were used to put this list together. There are several things on here that make me believe this is not an accurate depiction of the base seniority. As one example if the most Jr F.O.'s in MEM first filled up the DC9 then from there the next more senior went to the A320 why is the jr DC9 guy one number off the jr A320 guy? /quote]

I don't believe there are any assumptions. This list shows the new seniority number for the most junior person in each seat. What it does not say is if NWA seats are reserve or line holder. I guess that is most junior reserve guy now.

 

[Superpilot92]

Does anybody know what assumptions were used to put this list together. There are several things on here that make me believe this is not an accurate depiction of the base seniority. As one example if the most Jr F.O.'s in MEM first filled up the DC9 then from there the next more senior went to the A320 why is the jr DC9 guy one number off the jr A320 guy?

Another thing, How is it that a guy who is currently 25 from the bottom on the MD in SLC now shows eight hundred seniority numbers above the bottom MD guy....this is impossible since the majority of NWA guys coming onboard are senior to him. I really dont think this list is accurate and certainly does not seem to factor what is certain to remain higher senority bases such as SLC and LAX. SEA shows up plenty senior though. For all intents and purposes a FDAL guy might as well forget that is even a base. The most jr guy on the A330 there goes more senior than 777 captain anywhere in the FDAL system.

Once airplanes start to move bases this list becomes even less reliable.

I just looked at it, its because alot of the junior MEMDC9FOs bid off to the airbus in DTW or MEM. There used to be more junior guys on the -9 in Memphis but now they are temping people there because they are short in MEM. fwiw

 

[Superpilot92]

Just looked at it, the DC9 is now more senior than the A320 in MEM . I didnt realize it until just now.

Most junior NWA Seniority numbers in the positions are:

MEM320FO-5164
MEMDC9FO-5156

(for January)

For MAY it is as shown, the difference between the two positions is 1 number. Just means they will be temping more people down to MEM to cover what they need, like they are doing now.

 

[Sedona16]

Does anybody know what assumptions were used to put this list together. There are several things on here that make me believe this is not an accurate depiction of the base seniority. As one example if the most Jr F.O.'s in MEM first filled up the DC9 then from there the next more senior went to the A320 why is the jr DC9 guy one number off the jr A320 guy? /quote]

I don't believe there are any assumptions. This list shows the new seniority number for the most junior person in each seat. What it does not say is if NWA seats are reserve or line holder. I guess that is most junior reserve guy now.

OK this makes sense. So it has no forward looking ability. Just where people are now and about to radically change.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

If we're talking base comparisons, NWA doesn't have a leg to stand on. Everyone in this industry knows that NWA and CO have the worst bases of the legacies. This is common knowledge and if you try and dispute this, you are either from MSP or DTW, or you are just B.S.ing yourself. Sorry...

You have 3 freezing cold Northern bases, a small senior rain filled base, and Memphis for God's sake.

Hate to break it to you southern yee-haws, but contrary to your own inner voices, half of the people in the country LOVE snow and change of seasons that we have up north. I personally would choose NW or DL, simply because of that and the fact that I would NEVER want to live in some hellish overly "urbanized" place. I wouldn't stoop to ANY DL base if I wanted to work there

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I will be more than happy to displace to MSP or DTW. I am sure that I will get my chance in the coming year!

 

[jetjockey#1]

You are right - it's terrible here. Stay away, save yourselves! :cartman: I'm not sure who will be left to fly here after everyone bids down to ATL. :bomb:

Delta pilots forced to move up there. Hopefully most NWA pilots will realize it's not in their best interest to move to a DAL base and they will stay put, and oh yes, ACL65 will join you guys. Maybe you two can go ice fishing sometime in -15 degree weather. Doesn't that sound like fun?

 

[Superpilot92]

Delta pilots forced to move up there. Hopefully most NWA pilots will realize it's not in their best interest to move to a DAL base and they will stay put, and oh yes, ACL65 will join you guys. Maybe you two can go ice fishing sometime in -15 degree weather. Doesn't that sound like fun?

I would like to stay in my base but who knows if my plane will get moved out of my base? Do you know which planes and bases will be where and available?

Bottom line is NONE of us know exactly where our planes and bases will be and how much they will resemble what we have now. Time will tell. You DAL guys may have to switch bases and we newb DAL guys may have to switch bases. Mother DAL will be dealing the cards soon.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Delta pilots forced to move up there. Hopefully most NWA pilots will realize it's not in their best interest to move to a DAL base and they will stay put

Are threats going to be part of the culture by the premerger old DL side?

Nothing like resurrecting the USAir/AWA mentality after all the "hard work" to create the illusion of the opposite for you guys.

Your MECs need to nip this kind of threat in the bud, or you can look forward to similar downward spiral.

 

[Fly4hire]

Delta pilots forced to move up there. Hopefully most NWA pilots will realize it's not in their best interest to move to a DAL base and they will stay put, and oh yes, ACL65 will join you guys. Maybe you two can go ice fishing sometime in -15 degree weather. Doesn't that sound like fun?

Care to elaborate on that statement? Are you suggesting there will be some sort of retribution exacted if FNWA pilots exercise their contractual seniority to bid on an AE?

As a DAL newbie I can understand your frustration at the thought of all those more senior pilots bidding on top of you, however as others have mentioned getting hired into the 76ER was an aberration, not the norm, and you best recognize it as such and deal with it.

Let me give you a piece of friendly advice - for your own career advancement I would very strongly suggest you refrain from veiled threats towards FNWA pre-merger pilots regardless of how you feel about the SLI.

Can some more seasoned DAL types please take jetjockey behind the wood-shed for some "counseling" for his own good?

 

[General Lee]

Care to elaborate on that statement? Are you suggesting there will be some sort of retribution exacted if FNWA pilots exercise their contractual seniority to bid on an AE?

As a DAL newbie I can understand your frustration at the thought of all those more senior pilots bidding on top of you, however as others have mentioned getting hired into the 76ER was an aberration, not the norm, and you best recognize it as such and deal with it.

Let me give you a piece of friendly advice - for your own career advancement I would very strongly suggest you refrain from veiled threats towards FNWA pre-merger pilots regardless of how you feel about the SLI.

Can some more seasoned DAL types please take jetjockey behind the wood-shed for some "counseling" for his own good?

I've tried, but it seems not to work. He doesn't realize that he could be bumped out of ATL by his OWN group, not necessarily the FNWA group.(Also, we are ALL ONE BIG GROUP now anyways, no way around that) I have heard there will be a displacement bid coming up in JAN since we are short on MD88 FOs in ATL, and fat on 76FOs. Then, if we move planes around from base to base, more senior DL people in ATL could bump him to stay in the area. If he gets bumped up to JFK or CVG forexample, it would be colder there (maybe not as cold as MSP) than ATL too. This business is never certain.

JETJOCKEY, listen to me. There is not a lot you can control here, and making weird statements will not help your situation. Hopefully you will get to stay in ATL on your current equipment. It may not turn out that way, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree with the General. When they move the 88's and ER out of ATL it will be Pre-merger DAL guys that will down bid to work where they live that displace the bottom 300-400 from ATL. There will be some NWA guys that come in but all of those ER FO's that do not commute will go to the 767 and guess what, those guys will be flying the 88 out of MSP. That is how that will work.
Some will go with the jets, but the majority will not. I know if I wanted to keep ATL my home, I would bid down, but once the market improves I plan to move either way. I will take a MD if needed. I have to qualms about this. Seniority is everything, and if you do not have a lot of it, the next five years will be interesting to say the least. That is why they say, being senior on junior equipment is the best way to go.
If they move the 765 to NYC things will get real ugly!

 

[Linedriver]

I agree with the General. When they move the 88's and ER out of ATL it will be Pre-merger DAL guys that will down bid to work where they live that displace the bottom 300-400 from ATL.

So what is the word on where the 88's would be going? MSP? Best guess.

 

[wings421]

I want to get to Memphis on the 9. Any of those guys want out, into something else?

Put me into that line too. 320/9 whatever it takes to get MEM.

 

[Speedbird34]

Are threats going to be part of the culture by the premerger old DL side?

Nothing like resurrecting the USAir/AWA mentality after all the "hard work" to create the illusion of the opposite for you guys.

Your MECs need to nip this kind of threat in the bud, or you can look forward to similar downward spiral.

Quiet dude