Junior Positions by Base Combined NWA/DAL

[ACL65PILOT]

I will be more than happy to displace to MSP or DTW. I am sure that I will get my chance in the coming year!

 

[jetjockey#1]

You are right - it's terrible here. Stay away, save yourselves! :cartman: I'm not sure who will be left to fly here after everyone bids down to ATL. :bomb:

Delta pilots forced to move up there. Hopefully most NWA pilots will realize it's not in their best interest to move to a DAL base and they will stay put, and oh yes, ACL65 will join you guys. Maybe you two can go ice fishing sometime in -15 degree weather. Doesn't that sound like fun?

 

[Superpilot92]

Delta pilots forced to move up there. Hopefully most NWA pilots will realize it's not in their best interest to move to a DAL base and they will stay put, and oh yes, ACL65 will join you guys. Maybe you two can go ice fishing sometime in -15 degree weather. Doesn't that sound like fun?

I would like to stay in my base but who knows if my plane will get moved out of my base? Do you know which planes and bases will be where and available?

Bottom line is NONE of us know exactly where our planes and bases will be and how much they will resemble what we have now. Time will tell. You DAL guys may have to switch bases and we newb DAL guys may have to switch bases. Mother DAL will be dealing the cards soon.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Delta pilots forced to move up there. Hopefully most NWA pilots will realize it's not in their best interest to move to a DAL base and they will stay put

Are threats going to be part of the culture by the premerger old DL side?

Nothing like resurrecting the USAir/AWA mentality after all the "hard work" to create the illusion of the opposite for you guys.

Your MECs need to nip this kind of threat in the bud, or you can look forward to similar downward spiral.

 

[Fly4hire]

Delta pilots forced to move up there. Hopefully most NWA pilots will realize it's not in their best interest to move to a DAL base and they will stay put, and oh yes, ACL65 will join you guys. Maybe you two can go ice fishing sometime in -15 degree weather. Doesn't that sound like fun?

Care to elaborate on that statement? Are you suggesting there will be some sort of retribution exacted if FNWA pilots exercise their contractual seniority to bid on an AE?

As a DAL newbie I can understand your frustration at the thought of all those more senior pilots bidding on top of you, however as others have mentioned getting hired into the 76ER was an aberration, not the norm, and you best recognize it as such and deal with it.

Let me give you a piece of friendly advice - for your own career advancement I would very strongly suggest you refrain from veiled threats towards FNWA pre-merger pilots regardless of how you feel about the SLI.

Can some more seasoned DAL types please take jetjockey behind the wood-shed for some "counseling" for his own good?

 

[General Lee]

Care to elaborate on that statement? Are you suggesting there will be some sort of retribution exacted if FNWA pilots exercise their contractual seniority to bid on an AE?

As a DAL newbie I can understand your frustration at the thought of all those more senior pilots bidding on top of you, however as others have mentioned getting hired into the 76ER was an aberration, not the norm, and you best recognize it as such and deal with it.

Let me give you a piece of friendly advice - for your own career advancement I would very strongly suggest you refrain from veiled threats towards FNWA pre-merger pilots regardless of how you feel about the SLI.

Can some more seasoned DAL types please take jetjockey behind the wood-shed for some "counseling" for his own good?

I've tried, but it seems not to work. He doesn't realize that he could be bumped out of ATL by his OWN group, not necessarily the FNWA group.(Also, we are ALL ONE BIG GROUP now anyways, no way around that) I have heard there will be a displacement bid coming up in JAN since we are short on MD88 FOs in ATL, and fat on 76FOs. Then, if we move planes around from base to base, more senior DL people in ATL could bump him to stay in the area. If he gets bumped up to JFK or CVG forexample, it would be colder there (maybe not as cold as MSP) than ATL too. This business is never certain.

JETJOCKEY, listen to me. There is not a lot you can control here, and making weird statements will not help your situation. Hopefully you will get to stay in ATL on your current equipment. It may not turn out that way, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree with the General. When they move the 88's and ER out of ATL it will be Pre-merger DAL guys that will down bid to work where they live that displace the bottom 300-400 from ATL. There will be some NWA guys that come in but all of those ER FO's that do not commute will go to the 767 and guess what, those guys will be flying the 88 out of MSP. That is how that will work.
Some will go with the jets, but the majority will not. I know if I wanted to keep ATL my home, I would bid down, but once the market improves I plan to move either way. I will take a MD if needed. I have to qualms about this. Seniority is everything, and if you do not have a lot of it, the next five years will be interesting to say the least. That is why they say, being senior on junior equipment is the best way to go.
If they move the 765 to NYC things will get real ugly!

 

[Linedriver]

I agree with the General. When they move the 88's and ER out of ATL it will be Pre-merger DAL guys that will down bid to work where they live that displace the bottom 300-400 from ATL.

So what is the word on where the 88's would be going? MSP? Best guess.

 

[wings421]

I want to get to Memphis on the 9. Any of those guys want out, into something else?

Put me into that line too. 320/9 whatever it takes to get MEM.

 

[Speedbird34]

Are threats going to be part of the culture by the premerger old DL side?

Nothing like resurrecting the USAir/AWA mentality after all the "hard work" to create the illusion of the opposite for you guys.

Your MECs need to nip this kind of threat in the bud, or you can look forward to similar downward spiral.

Quiet dude

 

[Speedbird34]

Care to elaborate on that statement? Are you suggesting there will be some sort of retribution exacted if FNWA pilots exercise their contractual seniority to bid on an AE?

As a DAL newbie I can understand your frustration at the thought of all those more senior pilots bidding on top of you, however as others have mentioned getting hired into the 76ER was an aberration, not the norm, and you best recognize it as such and deal with it.

Let me give you a piece of friendly advice - for your own career advancement I would very strongly suggest you refrain from veiled threats towards FNWA pre-merger pilots regardless of how you feel about the SLI.

Can some more seasoned DAL types please take jetjockey behind the wood-shed for some "counseling" for his own good?

Silence dude. You will be the one learning Delta Culture not the other way around. Stop building a mole hill out of nothing. no one cares what about your opinion apart from your wife and it is a free world joker. welcome aboard senior here DOH and seniority does not make that much of a difference and gives you zero rights over my career. You will realize that soon enough. this is not high school. We have 3 star Generals as First officers. A joker like you will always be ranked lower in my eyes even if you wear captain bars and sat on my leftside. the General has more of my respect!

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Quiet dude

If I don't are you going to scream "racism!" like you do on 99% of your troll posts here and ALPC?

 

[Speedbird34]

If I don't are you going to scream "racism!" like you do on 99% of your troll posts here and ALPC?

Looks like I hit a nerve:laugh: boy!!

 

[clippyrip]

Looks like I hit a nerve:laugh: boy!!

Definitely. When you condone threats from DAL new hires to FNWA pilots it's a little disconcerting.

 

[Speedbird34]

Definitely. When you condone threats from DAL new hires to FNWA pilots it's a little disconcerting.

No one threaten anyone stop acting the drama queen. You guys are the dudes who do all the threatening. Calling the fact that new hires are in an ER an insane situation. What a bunch of small minded guys. What is the big deal. it is just an airplane. we have guys in British airways, Lufthansa, etc just out of school on a B747.
That is positive change and should be encouraged. it makes Delta a more desirable Airline. any wonder no one cared to apply to northwest airlines. who wants to fly a DC9 except he gets displaced into that old work horse or should I say junk. I hope one day the oldest airplane on our fleet was the B767 for the most junior guys. that is were the Old Delta was headed. An all boeing fleet.
But we have to make the best of the present situation and believe me we are not crying. We are not scared of displacements or whatever comes next and we are surely not scared of Northwest pilots with their super seniority. If you can wear my boots you are welcome to try it on. I am sure if I am forced into your boots I will manage it alright.
Chippy what a name, sounds like a bird. Reminds me of a small noisy bird:laugh:
welcome aboard FNWA or NDAL all this names. I keep it simple welcome new hire.

 

[Superpilot92]

Put me into that line too. 320/9 whatever it takes to get MEM.

You dont want MEM on the bus believe me! Crabby captains, bad trips, scarebus flying, early shows, late finishes, no movement, etc. I hear the DC9 is great though Good ole boy southern captains, they buy all your beer (more so than General Lee) and meals, late shows, early finishes, great overnights, and you get to fly a classic airliner that shakes Everything in sight when you take off. You'll love it

 

[Voice Of Reason]

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[Scope out RJ's]

Hey voice of whining, shouldn't you be over on the fractional forum pissing off the Net Jets guys?
It seems you're liked as little there as you are here!:laugh:

 

[General Lee]

Definitely. When you condone threats from DAL new hires to FNWA pilots it's a little disconcerting.

I don't think they were threats, rather nervousness from junior people. There is NOTHING they could do about being displaced, and in reality they would be displaced by Delta pilots, not FNWA pilots. It happened after 9-11 when we lost planes, and after the BK when we lost more planes. People were displaced to all of the bases. When Delta decides to place certain planes in new bases, they can bid those too along with everyone else. Seniority will rule. The no bump and flush rule will not apply to senior DL pilots bumping junior DL pilots, and that is something these junior guys will have to understand. Nothing personal.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jetjockey#1]

I've tried, but it seems not to work. He doesn't realize that he could be bumped out of ATL by his OWN group, not necessarily the FNWA group.(Also, we are ALL ONE BIG GROUP now anyways, no way around that) I have heard there will be a displacement bid coming up in JAN since we are short on MD88 FOs in ATL, and fat on 76FOs. Then, if we move planes around from base to base, more senior DL people in ATL could bump him to stay in the area. If he gets bumped up to JFK or CVG forexample, it would be colder there (maybe not as cold as MSP) than ATL too. This business is never certain.

JETJOCKEY, listen to me. There is not a lot you can control here, and making weird statements will not help your situation. Hopefully you will get to stay in ATL on your current equipment. It may not turn out that way, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You know GL, I have stated the fact that I have no qualms about being bumped by a DAL pilot. I got hired at DAL by choice not by necessity. I was already flying for a legacy before DAL, and decided on DAL because the bases and the A/C. So, yes it does pisssedd me off when I hear NWA pilots talking about how they got screwed, and in the same sentence asking about the ER schedules, DAL bases, etc. Once again, I came to DAL by choice, if I would've thought I was going to be based in a northern base flying god knows what, I would've stayed put. DAL is the best legacy hands down, that's why I am here, and I am not ready to let NWA pilots diminish the great attributes of this airline, and how much better their life is going to be because of DAL. I guess after hearing Whitehurst list all the reasons why merging with NWA would be such a nightmare, it's hard to accept it.

And by the way, of all people I really don't think you are the ideal person to offer some counseling, with your pompous attitude towards just about everybody who doesn't layover in Sao Paulo, or Paris. I find your comments very entertaining, but somebody not as understanding as I am might think you are just a prick.

Happy New Year.

 

[Going2Baja]

I am not ready to let NWA pilots diminish the great attributes of this airline

Get ready Jet jock....it's going to happen. That's just the way it is. Sorry to hear the DTW/MSP/ANC aren't your cup of tea.....

Baja.

 

[General Lee]

You know GL, I have stated the fact that I have no qualms about being bumped by a DAL pilot. I got hired at DAL by choice not by necessity. I was already flying for a legacy before DAL, and decided on DAL because the bases and the A/C. So, yes it does pisssedd me off when I hear NWA pilots talking about how they got screwed, and in the same sentence asking about the ER schedules, DAL bases, etc. Once again, I came to DAL by choice, if I would've thought I was going to be based in a northern base flying god knows what, I would've stayed put. DAL is the best legacy hands down, that's why I am here, and I am not ready to let NWA pilots diminish the great attributes of this airline, and how much better their life is going to be because of DAL. I guess after hearing Whitehurst list all the reasons why merging with NWA would be such a nightmare, it's hard to accept it.

And by the way, of all people I really don't think you are the ideal person to offer some counseling, with your pompous attitude towards just about everybody who doesn't layover in Sao Paulo, or Paris. I find your comments very entertaining, but somebody not as understanding as I am might think you are just a prick.

Happy New Year.

I enjoy my layovers, and have the seniority to get them. Someday you may too. This particular job has options on where you fly and what you fly, and some airlines and their pilots like to brag about certain things, but don't have the same options. I like to point that out sometimes. I usually don't start the disagreements, but I can end them.

As far as what NWA brings to the table and the SLI, it is all over. There is nothing you nor I can do about it. I think we are a better airline now after acquiring NWA. You can dwell on the perceived shortfalls you supposedly received, or you can finally move on. If you were more senior, you might not feel as you do now (I feel I did well overall). That is the way it goes, and like it or not you are now in your current position. You may be bumped off of your equipment (likely by a DL pilot), and you may have to commute. Both of those things happened well before you got here (after 9-11 and also after the BK), and people got through it. At least reserve is better now than after BK (6 short calls vs 8 per month), and we have better jump seat rules---list 2 flights prior rule and get excused, and also ability to use flight attendant jumpseat if empty. We just recently got those improvements, and sometimes it is hard to look at the bright side when the unknown is out there. Who knows? Three years from now you may be an A330 FO in ATL flying to Rio and enjoying it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Fly4hire]

I am not ready to let NWA pilots diminish the great attributes of this airline, and how much better their life is going to be because of DAL.

By doing what - bidding what their senioity can hold?
How are you going to prevent it? Let me guess - you will be one of those little weasles who call the CP and rat out their fellow crew members for not dotting every i or crossing every t? They've seen your kind before.

This airline - all of us - is going to be a much stronger company than either could have been indivdually. We each bring unique strengths and culture to the mix - and that is what it will be - a mix of cultures. If you don't think NWA has a great pilot group you will be suprised. The sooner you get over your xenophobia and corporate racism the happier you will be. We all gained and all lost something in this SLI. Where and how much is in the eyes of the beholder.

For someone who claims to have been in the business a while you seem to have a very little understanding of just how volatile and unpredictable it can be. Fortunes of companies and careers are largely out of your hands, and is more luck and timing than anything. 30 yrs ago there was TWA and PAA and everyone else was an "also ran".

Relax, it's out of your hands, and you have a bright future ahead of you even if it involves a displacement or base move - hopefully it won't. Best to be planning your bidding strategy in both directions - that goes for anyone.

 

[Going2Baja]

Nice post Fly4hire...Spot on point!

Baja.

 

[clippyrip]

So, yes it does pisssedd me off when I hear NWA pilots talking about how they got screwed, and in the same sentence asking about the ER schedules, DAL bases, etc.

I got the feeling you would not be happy if they made you #2. It still wasn't #1.

 

[Who Dey]

Jetjockey and speedbird,

Your attitudes are the reason I cancelled my interview with Delta. Speedbird is too good for a dc-9 and NWA is ruining the new Delta with their bad bases. I feel bad for you. You have to live with yourselves the rest of your lives. Thankfully I only deal with you here and I can turn you off. I feel sorry for you that you are stuck with yourself. You really should get sick when you look at yourself in the mirror. The problem with this industry is people like you that are too good for the 9 or 76 seat jets or 50 seat jets. People like you caused legacy airlines to let regionals do some of the legacy flying for half price. I guess since the 9 is junk let Compass fly it for half of what NWA pays. Lets just fly 767 & 777. Tool. I don't care what the hell I fly as long as I get payed well and I get a good lifestyle. Really listen to yourself and that will answer why other airline people don't want anything to do with Delta. I didn't.

PS How about them Bengals winning 3 in a row!!! Who Dey!!!

 

[Speedbird34]

Jetjockey and speedbird,

Your attitudes are the reason I cancelled my interview with Delta. Speedbird is too good for a dc-9 and NWA is ruining the new Delta with their bad bases. I feel bad for you. You have to live with yourselves the rest of your lives. Thankfully I only deal with you here and I can turn you off. I feel sorry for you that you are stuck with yourself. You really should get sick when you look at yourself in the mirror. The problem with this industry is people like you that are too good for the 9 or 76 seat jets or 50 seat jets. People like you caused legacy airlines to let regionals do some of the legacy flying for half price. I guess since the 9 is junk let Compass fly it for half of what NWA pays. Lets just fly 767 & 777. Tool. I don't care what the hell I fly as long as I get payed well and I get a good lifestyle. Really listen to yourself and that will answer why other airline people don't want anything to do with Delta. I didn't.

PS How about them Bengals winning 3 in a row!!! Who Dey!!!

You make no sense to me. I do not know what hole you just crawled out of dude. Please go back into your damp hole and keep on fooling yourself!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Jetjockey and speedbird,

Your attitudes are the reason I cancelled my interview with Delta.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason you cancelled your interview with Delta. {/sarcasm}

 

[dtfl]

I agree with the General. When they move the 88's and ER out of ATL it will be Pre-merger DAL guys that will down bid to work where they live that displace the bottom 300-400 from ATL.

First off - don't believe it until I see it.
Second - shouldnt you rephrase and say "When they move SOME of the 88s and ERs out of ATL..."?

 

[Noserider76]

Knowing this company and how they love to avoid training costs I would think they would avoid displacements and the associated training/moving costs as much as possible. We may see them post a bid for a new category, ie., 747 ATL, see who bids it hoping it's current 747 drivers, look at the results and award the bid if it minimizes training/moving costs. Why pay to retrain/move people if you can fill a category without it? Instead of closing current base categories they may be right-sized through lack of backfill while the new bases and categories are opened.