Jumpseating and the forward lav....

[waveflyer]

Umm - it might be nice to pile on- but none of you have answered his actual question yet and haven't recognized that he did comply-

I think its a fair question the second way you worded it skydiver- but I don't know the answer-

So let me change the scenario-

What if the FA was a friend or girlfriend- and wanted you up there to chit chat- could you legally? Or would Mr FAA or ms TSA catching a ride have issues with it?

Anyone-

Jesus people- it's been acknowledged we're guests as jump seaters- that's not the question-

 

[Freebrd]

He is a PILOT, in the galley,(spotlight, as far as pax are concerned) and he knows it..everyone needs to know who he is ,, what he does, what he has, how great he is!

Aha! It's really Jenny Leigh! In her make believe pilot outfit.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

For all you shall we say "more distinguished ladies/gentlemen" around my age ;-)
http://www.hark.com/clips/zqktxhmkgy-dogpile-on-the-rabbit

 

[skydiverdriver2]

Umm - it might be nice to pile on- but none of you have answered his actual question yet and haven't recognized that he did comply-

I think its a fair question the second way you worded it skydiver- but I don't know the answer-

So let me change the scenario-

What if the FA was a friend or girlfriend- and wanted you up there to chit chat- could you legally? Or would Mr FAA or ms TSA catching a ride have issues with it?

Exactly. Let's say she's my sister, and hasn't talked to me in a couple of weeks. She invites me to the forward galley to talk. Then, her co-worker says that I can't be there because passengers can't congregate there. Then my sister tells the other FA that I'm a crewmember.

I never heard that FA's are in CASS, but they still can't ride in the cockpit. And, I've left the cockpit in flight several times to sit in the back for the rest of the flight. This has nothing to do with my uniform, or anything else except the legality of who can stand in the galley. I'm sure everyone would agree that I could do this on my own airline. And if I can't, why is it that I can't have alcohol when I'm jumpseating? Isn't it because I'm considered crew?

 

[skydiverdriver2]

Anyone-

Jesus people- it's been acknowledged we're guests as jump seaters- that's not the question-

Yes, we are guests. But we are also ACM, or additional crew members. I didn't argue with anyone. She wanted me there. YOU are one of the ones who doesn't seem to understand the question. I just want to know if it's legal. If you don't know the answer, changing the subject won't help anything.

The only reason I mentioned I was in uniform was because it would not make the passengers think it was okay to break the rules. Why does this seem so difficult to answer?

 

[Jim]

So if he's in uniform, OAL jump seating, standing in from of the cockpit door, wearing a reserve parachute with an expired packing date, no hat but with a tie, talking to the FA and the other ask him to leave, does he have to?

 

[SWA Bubba]

Yes, we are guests. But we are also ACM, or additional crew members. I didn't argue with anyone. She wanted me there. YOU are one of the ones who doesn't seem to understand the question. I just want to know if it's legal. If you don't know the answer, changing the subject won't help anything.

The only reason I mentioned I was in uniform was because it would not make the passengers think it was okay to break the rules. Why does this seem so difficult to answer?

Dude--you're berating the wrong guy.

Wave is the only one sticking up for you. He wasn't changing the subject like you thought; he was reiterating your actual legality question for the others who were piling on. He was saying that, yes, we all know OAL jumpseaters are guests, but that doesn't change the legality.

I realize that most of the people on this thread were having fun at your expense, but you might want to actually read a specific reply before taking umbrage. You know?

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

Haha, thanks bubba, I had to read that twice...what the...
I'm starting to think nobody's answering because in the 65 other posts skydiver was a d/ck so nobody cares-

I get your question homeboy. I promise I do. But now I'm in the category of not caring too. Good work. not a hater though so if I run across the answer easy, I'll let you know- peace out -

 

[Nindiri]

Mr Skydiverdriver enjoys messing with people in these threads, and his victims are all too often eager to take the bait. He's similar to InstructorDude, but not quite as blatant or obvious. A very sly fellow.


hehe The joys of checking in on FlightInfo. :nuts:

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Yes, we are guests. But we are also ACM, or additional crew members. I didn't argue with anyone. She wanted me there. YOU are one of the ones who doesn't seem to understand the question. I just want to know if it's legal. If you don't know the answer, changing the subject won't help anything.

The only reason I mentioned I was in uniform was because it would not make the passengers think it was okay to break the rules. Why does this seem so difficult to answer?

It is simple. ACM or not, you are a guest. Regarding legal: legal is what ever the flight attendant tells you to do. Simply put - Shut Up and Sit Down. You are an embarrassment to us all.

Bob

 

[GuinessGuy]

You are ONLY checked in CASS just is case you have to sit up front. When you are sitting in the back, you have to follow the rules of any normal pax. FA's "jump" all the time, and there is no CASS for them. They sit in the back and follow the rules as any normal passenger.

 

[redflyer65]

She prob told you that because you were in the way and she didn't want to talk to you. Take a hint and move yourself to the back. You were out of line if you pressed the issue and lecture her on how you felt entitled to stand there and talk to her. Why on earth did you feel the need to go hang out and stand outside of the cockpit in uniform?

Split nailed it in the first response. Many times the FAs just want their space....when there's very little of that to be had anywhere.

 

[ron burgundy]

Yes, we are guests. But we are also ACM, or additional crew members. I didn't argue with anyone. She wanted me there. YOU are one of the ones who doesn't seem to understand the question. I just want to know if it's legal. If you don't know the answer, changing the subject won't help anything.

The only reason I mentioned I was in uniform was because it would not make the passengers think it was okay to break the rules. Why does this seem so difficult to answer?

Honestly, because, you are posting on "SLIGHT INFO". Aptly named,I believe,for the slight amount of info that is actually reaped from this board.

 

[CRJ puppy]

You have no "right" to stand where ever you please inside an aircraft being non compliant with a crew member request whether in uniform or not.

Clear enough?

 

[IBNAV8R]

To my knowledge there has been no test case. So, you have three options.

1) Ask FAA counsel for the legal interpretation?

2) Assuming you WANT to be the test case, just insist that you are crew and dare the the F/A to report it? Your argument will face several levels of scrutiny.

The county where the plane landed and they arrested you. (local charges)
The FBI (federal charges)
The FAA (certificate action)
The company giving you a ride (banned from JSing/nonrevving on them again)
Your company (whether you lose JS/nonrev PRIVILEGES altogether and/or your job)
Your colleagues who will think you're a complete moron.

You may well find that the FAA feels you are crewmember and are absolutely entitled to loiter in the galley but, it will likely be after disposition of all the other inquests - none of which may have any bearing on the others.

3) Apologize, smile, and move.

Personally, even if I had a positive interpretation of the rule, I'd still stick with option 3. This industry may be big - but not THAT big.

Discretion is the better part of valor.