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Jumpseating and the forward lav....

skydiverdriver2

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So,
Let's say I'm jumpseating on someone's airline, in uniform, and they have a seat for me in the back. I walk up front to talk to the flight attendant, and she tells me I can't stand there. I replied that I am considered crew, and it's only passengers that cannot stand and wait for the forward lav. I said that if it made her uncomfortable, I would gladly move. So, my question is, who was right?

Now, if you think the FA was right, that's fine. My only question is, why can I ride in the cockpit, but can't stand outside of it? Can I stand outside of it, in the galley area for a few minutes while actually riding in the cockpit? Why or why not? Do flight attendants realize that pilots riding in the back, if CASS checked, are qualified to ride up front in the cockpit? Do they know we are considered additional crewmembers? They seem to know we cannot have alcohol while jumpseating, so doesn't that mean we are crew?

Just curious as to what others think of the situation. Thanks.
 

SplitBar

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She prob told you that because you were in the way and she didn't want to talk to you. Take a hint and move yourself to the back. You were out of line if you pressed the issue and lecture her on how you felt entitled to stand there and talk to her. Why on earth did you feel the need to go hang out and stand outside of the cockpit in uniform?
 
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What happened to using the lav in your ticketed cabin?


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flyboyike

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So,
Let's say I'm jumpseating on someone's airline, in uniform, and they have a seat for me in the back. I walk up front to talk to the flight attendant, and she tells me I can't stand there.

Well, you're not telling us what you wanted to talk to her about, but I think we must keep in mind that humans are territorial animals and if the flight attendant didn't want you in her galley, that's about the end of it. I mean, if that's the only bad thing that happened, seems to me it's still a pretty good day.
 

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When bumming a free ride on someone else's airline, I think it's best just to go along with whatever policies or procedures they have in place. Being a pilot grants you no special powers or authority. Besides, the FA's probably don't need the jumpseater hitting on them as well.
 

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If youre crew, set an example. So many crew members think they're above policy just because they're crew.
 

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zasca

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If you start breaking the rules, then every other pax will want to as well. You are not an ACM if you aren't JSing in the cockpit. Don't be an idiot.
 

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What everyone else said!

You're getting a free ride. Show some respect to the rest of the crew and you'll have them eating out of the palm of your hand. Try throwing your weight around and they'll try getting you thrown off eventually. Be cool.

I always introduce myself to the lead FA, and the others if there is time. Sometimes they appreciate it, other times they could care less. As long as you're polite and professional it will help to insure we all keep the jumpseat thing going.
 

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I personally don't miss jumpseating at all......! Haven said that, I agree with the rest of the posts, don't forget that jumpseating is a privilege, not an entitlement.....!
 

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When bumming a free ride on someone else's airline, I think it's best just to go along with whatever policies or procedures they have in place. Being a pilot grants you no special powers or authority. Besides, the FA's probably don't need the jumpseater hitting on them as well.

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skydiverdriver2

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If you start breaking the rules, then every other pax will want to as well. You are not an ACM if you aren't JSing in the cockpit. Don't be an idiot.

I disagree. But, I was in my own cabin, as there was no first class. Not every airline has first class. Of course, I've been invited up to FC to use the lav by the FA's, but that's another story.

Everyone seems to agree that it would be nice to follow the pax rules, but nobody seems to know whether it's the law or not. If I sign up for the JS, and they check me in CASS, it doesn't matter where I'm sitting. What if I ride in the cockpit for the takeoff and then ride in the back for the rest of the flight? Again, I don't think she didn't want me there, she was concerned about the TSA regs. Also, if you are concerned about other passengers following suit, don't you think they see someone in uniform as crew, whether you guys do or not?

I'm just asking about the legality, not the morality, or courtesy aspect of it. That's all, nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks.
 

skydiverdriver2

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When bumming a free ride on someone else's airline, I think it's best just to go along with whatever policies or procedures they have in place. Being a pilot grants you no special powers or authority. Besides, the FA's probably don't need the jumpseater hitting on them as well.

I wasn't hitting on her. I just asked if she minded if I stood up there, and she said no, except that she thought I wasn't allowed. I don't think many flight attendants know what CASS is, and if you are allowed to ride in the cockpit, why not stand outside for a minute? I'm just asking about the legal part, not the courtesy part. I know very well about courtesy, as I've been doing this for a very long time.
 

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The legal part is that she can tell you to do whatever she wants, and you need to do it.

That's how I view jumpseating and it's given me a 100 percent success rate.
 

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The legal part is that she can tell you to do whatever she wants, and you need to do it.

That's how I view jumpseating and it's given me a 100 percent success rate.

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I disagree. But, I was in my own cabin, as there was no first class. Not every airline has first class. Of course, I've been invited up to FC to use the lav by the FA's, but that's another story.

Everyone seems to agree that it would be nice to follow the pax rules, but nobody seems to know whether it's the law or not. If I sign up for the JS, and they check me in CASS, it doesn't matter where I'm sitting. What if I ride in the cockpit for the takeoff and then ride in the back for the rest of the flight? Again, I don't think she didn't want me there, she was concerned about the TSA regs. Also, if you are concerned about other passengers following suit, don't you think they see someone in uniform as crew, whether you guys do or not?

I'm just asking about the legality, not the morality, or courtesy aspect of it. That's all, nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks.
You are a toad, the same as all the other toads in the back. The uniform means nothing at your airline, less on someone else's. The reality was she didn't want to watch you stand right in front of her and pick your nose, and then eat the boogers. Legality, "lawful crewmember orders" cuts a broad swath, add "inteference" and there is your answer.
 

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Great way to get kicked off the flight if FA complains to the Capt/FO. Basically you're in the way up there especially if they're boarding. Take your seat and appreciate the ride.

FA are approved for CASS also btw. And once in the cockpit, if you're riding up there, there's no leaving after TO for a seat in he cabin. If the gate issues you a seat in the back then just board and take your seat to get out of the revenue passengers and FAs way. Most airline policies require an offline pilot to ride in the cabin if a seat is available there.
 
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