Jetblue pilots begin organization drive...

[CAL EWR B737]

My two cents:

It doesn't matter what union you have if you don't have strong leadership and a unified pilot group behind them (local leadership in ALPA's case). That being said ALPA provides a very strong tool box especially compared to a fledging independent union with limited resources.

In less than two weeks ALPA will have a new leader at the top who with a new vision. I for one think you should give ALPA a shot. Ok flame away.

 

[Daddy]

Beats what you have now...that's for sure

 

[AKAAB]

Serious question - once a company recognizes any group representing the workers, doesn't that make the requirement for the first round of voting to organize unnecessary? I thought I read some comment to that effect here some time ago.

If that is the case, does the Pilot Compensation Group that was formed with management-picked pilots and pilots elected to represent them (Values Committee) meet that criteria?

Please educate me about this provision of the labor laws.

 

[Skank]

For me... hmmm, oh yeah I flew 3 legs over a 2-day trip (with a 27hr layover ) ...81.25 hrs credit as that's all I've done the last month on reserve.

Glad to hear the cleaning thing is working out for you!

BBB

yeah, but that not working thing is hell on your figure...the picture proves it.

 

[Lear70]

They are not losing sleep cause when they need financial data in section 6 they call ALPA and get the info they need to negotiate their contracts....

Oh God,,, here we go again.

For me... hmmm, oh yeah I flew 3 legs over a 2-day trip (with a 27hr layover ) ...81.25 hrs credit as that's all I've done the last month on reserve.

You can't seriously be comparing UPS pay to JBLU pay, can you?

 

[JAM-BRO]

If we had a union, we would be in talks for years to get what the E-190 guys got for a raise. Better yet, how many airlines are giving raises at this time-- ah lets count them, ZERO!!! A unionized airline would have furloughed about 100 pilots this past September/October with the reduction in flight hours. No union thus far has retained anything as far as pay, benefits, pensions, or work rules for many of your so called "Legacy" carriers-- thanks, I'd rather keep my 2-3 percent than give it to those weak "live to fight another day" folks who are supposedly defending our way of life, RIGHT!!! They've done nothing but collapse to company demands time and time again...

You need a lot to learn...

 

[clickclickboom]

For me... hmmm, oh yeah I flew 3 legs over a 2-day trip (with a 27hr layover ) ...81.25 hrs credit as that's all I've done the last month on reserve.

Glad to hear the cleaning thing is working out for you!

BBB

My point was not to state that my line was better than yours my point was trying to explain in simpletons terms that the cleaning thing is an absolute non event but dont worry I am sure your job is better than mine, your house bigger, your plane faster, your wallet fatter etc etc..Happy holidays

 

[oldxfr8dog]

When September and October came around, the entire pilot group got hit with less flying hours; my schedule was only 73 hours in September and 76 in October. So in one month, a junior Captain sitting on reserve got more money than I did.

Impossible! JB pay is based on the "Blended Rate" of 83 (or 86, depends on which pilot session you listened to.) Dropping 10 hours of premium time for 2 months would lower the "Blended Rate", wouldn't it?
Also, according to DN today, the reserve pay doesn't count.

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Is anyone going to say how much of an increase the E-190 got?????

 

[Big Beer Belly]

My point was not to state that my line was better than yours...

Gee... I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions. Forgive me... but if not to "brag" about your quality of life versus mine then why exactly did you include all your credit and number of legs data in response to a cleaning the aircraft comment?

BBB

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Lets see this week 4 Day trip 4 legs 24 hours of credit.. Actually just over 25 counting ground delays.

6-hour eastbound legs? What? Did you forget to raise the gear again?

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Is anyone going to say how much of an increase the E-190 got?????

I think the (first year) 190 f/os received a 30% raise, up to $47 dollars.
First year 190 Ca. $75 bucks.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

You need a lot to learn...

Huh?

 

[Snoopy Mendoza]

6-hour eastbound legs? What? Did you forget to raise the gear again?

Credit, say it slowly...C R E D I T.

:beer:

 

[AlbieF15]

Blue folks,

I think you found out this "princess" you've been sleeping with the last 5-6 years really turned out to be the "slut" your buddies warned you about.

Believe it or not, most of us aren't saying "we told you so...". Instead...we'll remind you...we dated her once too. She (management) has proven that sometimes she just doesn't really love us after all...

As an outsider who was always hopeful this JB thing with solid management and pilots working together could work, I was somewhat surprised at how latest pay thing worked out.

I hear a lot of ALPA bashing... I just cashed a bonus worth almost a months pay last month--get another one next June. Got bumped off most of my Dec trips for training, and my vacation next month will knock me off most of my January trips. Our healthcare premiums were locked down contractually as well. So far guys...ALPA and FedEx have been very very good to me. A profitable cargo/express company and an LCC are different, but this "auto-anti union" bias overlooks some of the good you could do working together. Your union--ALPA or local--will be what you guys make it to be and will be as solid as your pilot group. After 14 years military I was as union resistant as anyone--but at least in my case my experiences have been nothing but positive with our FDX MEC. I wish you guys the best whatever route you choose...