JetBlue Nosedives on U.S. Economic Weakness, Fuel

[Donsa320]

Allegheny was AAA, for All American Airways, just to keep you correct.

 

[PCL_128]

Allegheny was AAA, for All American Airways, just to keep you correct.

True, but AAA is associated nowadays with USAirways. And I'm just too lazy to type out Allegheny all the time.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Delta and AirTran pilots have clauses in our contracts that require specific merger procedures. In the examples you cite, ALG/Mohawk LPPs would be used. In a merger between two ALPA carriers, ALPA merger policy would be used.

So how did that apply to the APA/TWA pilot groups when AMR got TWA?

 

[PCL_128]

So how did that apply to the APA/TWA pilot groups when AMR got TWA?

TWA ALPA had merger protections in their CBA that would normally have applied ALG/Mohawk LPPs in that situation. The TWA MEC decided to waive their merger protections, because AMR was threatening to allow TWA to enter Chapter 7 and simply pick up the remaining pieces on the open market if TWA ALPA didn't "play ball."

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Actually you are moving into 5, and vacating 6, no?

imp:​

Yeah, I mixed my metaphors. Thanks. You still got the gist.

 

[FDJ2]

TWA ALPA had merger protections in their CBA that would normally have applied ALG/Mohawk LPPs in that situation. The TWA MEC decided to waive their merger protections, because AMR was threatening to allow TWA to enter Chapter 7 and simply pick up the remaining pieces on the open market if TWA ALPA didn't "play ball."

Fairly accurate, except I believe for the Chapter 7 part.

As part of the TWA acquisition, AMR and the APA required that the TWA pilots surrender their A-M integration rights. When the TWA pilots refused, TWA, at the insistence of AMR filed an 1113c in order to reject the entire pilot contract. Facing rejection of their entire contract the TWA MEC elected to waive their A-M rights in their PWA for a promise from AMR and the APA that they would give a reasonable best effort to treat the TWA pilots fairly.

 

[General Lee]

What does where LH parks at JFK have to do with moving into the new T-5? I said before that B6 can give up 6-10 narrowbody gates and change them to 4-6 widebody international gates while construction is still underway. I'm sure some Star Alliance international members would be glad to help foot the bill for the use and feed. This could include LH, BMI, South African, Lingus, Singapore, Asiana, and Air China. Another option is razing T-6 and building a new Star Alliance Terminal for international carriers with a bridge to the new B6 terminal.

B6 would have to cut back on unprofitable transcon routes, and possibly forego the shuttles to achieve this very profitable makeover. It would have to include the addition of between 6-12 first class seats on both the 190/320.

As far as BMI is concerned, BA will have a big say so on LH buying the airline. The only things stopping BA from competing for BMI would be antitrust issues and a bidding war with LH. 50 slots exist for BMI, so I can see them using at least 10 for open sky flights to many of the LH destinations in the states.

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Only 50 slots exist at LHR for BMI? I think there are a heck of a lot more. The thing is, BMI is the "domestic" airline out of LHR, with far more flights hitting domestic type cities in the British Isles (including Ireland/N Ireland). Those people want to keep access to LHR. BMI also flies to Moscow, and some major Europeans cities (CDG, BRU, etc), along with a few A330s to Saudi Arabia. Lufthansa isn't going to just go in there and cnx some routes to start some new ones to the West. The Gov't will make sure of that.

Also, how many of those Star Alliance carriers have enough feed onboard their one or two flights a day to JFK that actually want to connect somewhere other than JFK? Most probably want to go to NYC. Some may, but there might be 200-300 pax a day on all of those airlines planes, combined. Not that big of a concern. Maybe Air China will have a couple of pax going to JFK and then down to JAX on Jetblue---or they can go via Delta nonstop from PVG (Shanghai) to ATL, and then onto JAX starting in March. Oh yeah. So much easier.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[lowecur]

Only 50 slots exist at LHR for BMI? They own 12% of the total at Heathrow. So whatever that number is...it is. I think there are a heck of a lot more. The thing is, BMI is the "domestic" airline out of LHR, with far more flights hitting domestic type cities in the British Isles (including Ireland/N Ireland). Those people want to keep access to LHR. BMI also flies to Moscow, and some major Europeans cities (CDG, BRU, etc), along with a few A330s to Saudi Arabia. Lufthansa isn't going to just go in there and cnx some routes to start some new ones to the West. The Gov't will make sure of that. I guess 2008 will tell the tale.

Also, how many of those Star Alliance carriers have enough feed onboard their one or two flights a day to JFK that actually want to connect somewhere other than JFK? Today, probably only 5%...because the infrastructure for transfer is terrible, unless you travel AA or DL, where feed accounts for 50%. Cut your feed off, and see how many departures you would have. Most probably want to go to NYC. Do they really have any other viable choices? Some may, but there might be 200-300 pax a day on all of those airlines planes, combined. If we used those numbers and the 5% was correct, it would mean that 6000 pax enplane per day on international Star carriers at JFK. If a deal is done, I think you could conservatively add 3000 pax for 9000 total. That's a 30% feed, due to the fact B6 doesn't have the feed that either AA or DL have. How many more flights would the Star carriers have to add to accomodate the increase...quite a few. Jetblue could certainly sell out their first class seats if they were available, and they would need to focus on adding more mid and small size markets. Not that big of a concern. Maybe Air China will have a couple of pax going to JFK and then down to JAX on Jetblue---or they can go via Delta nonstop from PVG (Shanghai) to ATL, and then onto JAX starting in March. Oh yeah. So much easier.

Bye Bye--General Lee

The above deal would probably work best if they either razed or refurbished T-6 for Star Alliance widebodies. Just do a moving stair bridge right over to the new terminal.

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[Bavarian Chef]

Hey, looky looky who's back. Are you surprised jetblue is still around, Chef?

Jb is still around? My CSPP tells me otherwise.

BTW, I am going back into self-imposed exile. I got back on to check on a few JB threads, and all I get is TWA/ALPA/Allegheny/Delta vitriol. Yep, nothing's changed.

How's the cabin cleaning going for you?

 

[Sailpilot]

Jb is still around? My CSPP tells me otherwise.

BTW, I am going back into self-imposed exile. I got back on to check on a few JB threads, and all I get is TWA/ALPA/Allegheny/Delta vitriol. Yep, nothing's changed.

How's the cabin cleaning going for you?

You came back? This should be good.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

You came back? This should be good.

That quote of yours in that other thread is priceless. You fix your problem yet?

 

[Sailpilot]

That quote of yours in that other thread is priceless. You fix your problem yet?

I went with slow poison, not the single shot.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I went with slow poison, not the single shot.

I am sooooo willing to get run over by that train. "Lots of respectable people get run over by trains." -- O Bra Where Y'At

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Jb is still around? My CSPP tells me otherwise.


How's the cabin cleaning going for you?

Well, it's going well. I don't like cleaning cabins, but it is good to know that they "appreciate all that I do" Now, be gone with you. I'm sick of your poor-mouthing B6.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Cash flow is what counts - you want more coming in than leaving. Rising fuel and labor costs translate into more cash out than normal - hence the need for a cash infusion.

Greenspan has nothing on this guy!

OYS you have a unique way of pointing out the truly obvious,,, please keep up this amazing insight !uke: