Jetblue hiring... how and why?

[ASA_Aviator]

You would tell your CA to STFU. Better read Section 14 of your PEA junior.

In a social setting, like over a beer, yes. In the flight deck, I would just say, "hey, lets focus on the flying, and save the propaganda for the hotel bar."

 

[Splert]

Hello, Pot. This is kettle....

King$********************ofTurnIsland is not taking this place seriously.

 

[Splert]

Don't kid yourself: You carry that anger, resentment and self-disrespect out into the real world.

You are funny Dr. Laura! <--- See, that is not taking this place seriously.

 

[Splert]

Are you a leader who other pilots will listen to in our quest to attain a CBA?

Logic and facts never works for those that are Branch Jetbluevidians.

AMaybe if I sound like the talking points, that's because the [F and H and MWW] talking points are rational, and make sense.

That is your Branch Jetbluevidian in a nutshell.

He has no idea who MWW is and says they are 'rational'. Why don't you learn this ftool something for all of us! Good luck!

 

[Beantown]

I am surprised by the toxic attitudes being displayed on this thread. Do you folks really think that the way to persuade someone to your way of thinking is by insulting them, criticizing their opinions, their lifestyles, or calling names like a schoolyard bully? Wow...

Why isn't there any excitement for the people who are being hired by jB? Where are the pats on the back and the "congratulations!" and the "Welcome aboard!"?

Look, I get that some people aren't happy there but the reality is that there are literally thousands of RJ captains, corporate pilots, and military pilots who will all be competing for employment at DAL, UAL, and AA when they start hiring. Even with an impending pilot shortage (channeling Kit Darby) it may be years before an average Joe gets an interview and even then an interview is not a guarantee of employment. So turning down jetBlue for a "maybe" in the future isn't particularly good business decision either.

What you SHOULD be doing is practicing friendly persuasion. "Hey, welcome to jetBlue! We are glad you're here. This is a good job... let's talk about what we can do together to make it someplace where you can build a career!" -- and then share the comparisons with them. Share your financial data. Don't berate them. Don't slam their opinions... guide them and mentor them. If they don't agree with you this time, that's ok. Be nice. Try a different angle. Be a teacher.

If you are so frustrated... so angry... that attitudes like those that are displayed here are bubbling up on message boards or, worse yet, in the cockpit... it's time to take some time off. (At least time away from the message boards) Reconnect with what is important in your life, take a deep breath, and think about how you are treating your fellow pilots. How would you tell your kids to handle a problem like this if they were arguing with a friend at school?

I don't even work there and I find those messages offensive. In the real world you wouldn't follow someone who talked to you that way! Would you? You might do the opposite just to stand up to them!

Just another opinion from the peanut gallery.

Great Post and dead on!

 

[curtaindriver]

I am surprised by the toxic attitudes being displayed on this thread. Do you folks really think that the way to persuade someone to your way of thinking is by insulting them, criticizing their opinions, their lifestyles, or calling names like a schoolyard bully? Wow...

Why isn't there any excitement for the people who are being hired by jB? Where are the pats on the back and the "congratulations!" and the "Welcome aboard!"?

Look, I get that some people aren't happy there but the reality is that there are literally thousands of RJ captains, corporate pilots, and military pilots who will all be competing for employment at DAL, UAL, and AA when they start hiring. Even with an impending pilot shortage (channeling Kit Darby) it may be years before an average Joe gets an interview and even then an interview is not a guarantee of employment. So turning down jetBlue for a "maybe" in the future isn't particularly good business decision either.

What you SHOULD be doing is practicing friendly persuasion. "Hey, welcome to jetBlue! We are glad you're here. This is a good job... let's talk about what we can do together to make it someplace where you can build a career!" -- and then share the comparisons with them. Share your financial data. Don't berate them. Don't slam their opinions... guide them and mentor them. If they don't agree with you this time, that's ok. Be nice. Try a different angle. Be a teacher.

If you are so frustrated... so angry... that attitudes like those that are displayed here are bubbling up on message boards or, worse yet, in the cockpit... it's time to take some time off. (At least time away from the message boards) Reconnect with what is important in your life, take a deep breath, and think about how you are treating your fellow pilots. How would you tell your kids to handle a problem like this if they were arguing with a friend at school?

I don't even work there and I find those messages offensive. In the real world you wouldn't follow someone who talked to you that way! Would you? You might do the opposite just to stand up to them!

Just another opinion from the peanut gallery.

Excellent post, and I would contend more indicative of how it is on line.

CD

 

[PsubS]

Well put, FA...

I enjoy coming to work and Jetblue is a pretty good company to work for. Most guys I fly with agree with this statement--not all, but most.

There are PLENTY of things to fix at JB....and I don't always think the company is completely truthful with their statements. That's why many good people are fighting to change things, either via the direct relationship or via the union organization.

However, that doesn't mean that working here is bad...quite the contrary. It may not have the level of compensation that other majors enjoy, but I predict we will get there within the next couple of years.

 

[a320drivr]

You will never see pay, benefits, work rules, retirement, etc on par with our peers without representation.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Moderators. Is there any way we can give Splert and ASA a little break from FI. They are an embarrasement.

ASA. You know the facts. They are all out there and if you don't see the absolute need for representation based on the facts no one on FI is going to be able to convince you. I am sure you will vote accordingly to help your carreer, and family I am sure.

Splert. I really hope with your passion for a CBA you are on the OC. We all know based on how much time you spend on FI that you have more than enough time to volunteer for the OC. We still have a lot of pilots to survey, so If you are not on the OC and want to actually help and get involved please PM me. If you are not on the OC and are still this combative on an web board that means nothing and does no good you really need to reevaluate your life and use of your time. Also if you are not willing to help and put the effort into the correct place to secure union representation STFU is some good advice. If you are on the OC then push the key board away and go make some more phone calls.

 

[kommutrdog]

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[kommutrdog]

Splert. I really hope with your passion for a CBA you are on the OC.

I don't.

Splert's immature rants and diatribes turns potential "Yes" voters into "No" voters.

This drive is first and foremost a political campaign and the fence-sitters will not be won over by immature, bile-spitting blowhards. That's not how political campaigns work.

 

[Dizel8]

There are no fence sitters!

If after having seen the debacle since the last two drives and the absolute lack of any meaningful improvements, coupled with the Health Care cram down and the current PAR clown show, then they will never be convinced to vote yes.

 

[Dizel8]

Of course my favorites are the one who actively fought getting a CBA while retaining their recall rights at their previous carrier, or the ones who uses their spouse's union negotiated health care, while proclaiming that "bigblue's really isn't that bad!"

 

[Dizel8]

But hey, I am not all doom and gloom. The people you work with here are generally great, passengers seems to like us and we are growing.

So if we could get the other stuff fixed, just achieve average, and have it written in a CBA, then it wouldn't be a bad place to hang your hat.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I don't think I violated the TOS. I guess disagreeing is now a TOS violation?

 

[$$$4nothin]

I don't.

Splert's immature rants and diatribes turns potential "Yes" voters into "No" voters.

This drive is first and foremost a political campaign and the fence-sitters will not be won over by immature, bile-spitting blowhards. That's not how political campaigns work.

Point taken sir.

 

[Splert]

I don't.

Splert's immature rants and diatribes turns potential "Yes" voters into "No" voters.

This drive is first and foremost a political campaign and the fence-sitters will not be won over by immature, bile-spitting blowhards. That's not how political campaigns work.

There is no such thing as a fence sitter. Either they are a Yes voter or a No voter. A fence sitter is really just a No voter who does not have the courage to tell you they will vote No.

Yesterdays 'fence sitter' is now a yes voter or still a no voter and no one can even try to attempt to label themselves as a fence sitter because they know they sound like a 'bloofas'.

 

[kommutrdog]

You don't understand much about political elections, do you? A certain percentage of voter make their decisions based on emotions. How do the "feel" about canditate A or B.

Remember "Hope and Change?"

It didn't mean a damn thing and provided no specifics whatsoever. BUT! It made a certain segment of the electorate go: "OOOoooo. Hope. Change. That makes me feel good. I'll vote for the guy who's never run anything, ever."

In other words, sometimes emotions win over, even in an "election" as insanely important to the lives of pilots as a CBA drive.

It doesn't make sense, but that's the way it is.

 

[CapnVegetto]

You don't understand much about political elections, do you? A certain percentage of voter make their decisions based on emotions. How do the "feel" about canditate A or B.

Remember "Hope and Change?"

It didn't mean a damn thing and provided no specifics whatsoever. BUT! It made a certain segment of the electorate go: "OOOoooo. Hope. Change. That makes me feel good. I'll vote for the guy who's never run anything, ever."

In other words, sometimes emotions win over, even in an "election" as insanely important to the lives of pilots as a CBA drive.

It doesn't make sense, but that's the way it is.

This is spot on. Elections, at least to a significant number of people, are NOT about facts and logic. They are about mass psychology.

This is why Barack Obama is still president despite a factual record of gross incompetence and lies. If he were elected on his record only, he wouldn't be allowed to run a f-cking Scott Baio fan club.

 

[Splert]

Most people buy based upon emotion and then attempt to explain the decision with facts. Trying to persuade a person the change their mind by educating them with facts is a waste of time.

Go ahead be nice. You are wasting your time. I don't have time for these fools. Not because I'm pissed but simply talking to them make you dumber for listening to them try to explain why our health care rates increased 500% in 2013.

All they are doing is repeating the talking points from the chick on the right (the voice of ELT) and the guy on the left (MWW) and the girl in the middle is the voice of flight operations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36YiO1scuZM