JetBlue class dates

[Fins Up]

If I get a job there, I'm voting no too primarily due to your attitude and ignorance. You're doing yourself harm.

Now that's just dumb. Don't base your vote on one jackass.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Now that's just dumb. Don't base your vote on one jackass.

I won't. I was just making a point. There are about 50 "ifs" before it matters. If I get a job there, and if there's a union vote, I'll vote based on the situation at that time.

 

[fifty30retard]

I won't. I was just making a point. There are about 50 "ifs" before it matters. If I get a job there, and if there's a union vote, I'll vote based on the situation at that time.

Voting no to appease Frank Lorenzo's son, your CEO, is not a wise career move. Welcome to the majors.

 

[B6Busdriver]

If I get a job there, I'm voting no too primarily due to your attitude and ignorance. You're doing yourself harm.

Flamebait IMHO. You may not like 5030retards style but his facts are on target. Sorry the Bluejet just ain't the nirvana painted in the Riddle brochures.

 

[fifty30retard]

I won't. I was just making a point. There are about 50 "ifs" before it matters. If I get a job there, and if there's a union vote, I'll vote based on the situation at that time.

Don't get the job.

 

[BeachBummer]

If I get a job there, I'm voting no too primarily due to your attitude and ignorance. You're doing yourself harm.

Boy... talk about ignorance... if you haven't noticed there is a growing number of guys here saying that retard is right. While blunt force trauma isn't pleasant, it gets the message out.

Good luck man, hope you get hired. Pay attention once you get here, it's just your livleyhood.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Boy... talk about ignorance... if you haven't noticed there is a growing number of guys here saying that retard is right. While blunt force trauma isn't pleasant, it gets the message out.

Good luck man, hope you get hired. Pay attention once you get here, it's just your livleyhood.

So when is the next union vote then?

 

[BeachBummer]

1 year from the day the last one was voted down we can file with the NMB. As soon as we pull together and organize and get 35% interest cards signed.

Get on it.

 

[CapnVegetto]

1 year from the day the last one was voted down we can file with the NMB. As soon as we pull together and organize and get 35% interest cards signed.

Get on it.

Think ALPA will try again? Or are they too pissed about the last loss?

 

[Lake Alice]

ALPA is trying again. We are in the infant stage of the card drive.

 

[CapnVegetto]

ALPA is trying again. We are in the infant stage of the card drive.

Send me one.

 

[Lake Alice]

http://www.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=s/1aT4YYbAY=&tabid=3345

 

[SkiDawg]

A legit question, I swear (and probably already asked and answered somewhere on flightinfo, but...........)

Why ALPA? Why not in house union? Maybe ALPA is the turnoff.............

 

[B6Busdriver]

A legit question, I swear (and probably already asked and answered somewhere on flightinfo, but...........)

Why ALPA? Why not in house union? Maybe ALPA is the turnoff.............

$$$$$

In-house=higher dues, assessments, all while getting less

 

[fifty30retard]

A legit question, I swear (and probably already asked and answered somewhere on flightinfo, but...........)

Why ALPA? Why not in house union? Maybe ALPA is the turnoff.............

#1: In-house requires nurturing by management. You have "kicked-in-the-teeth" management, therefore, it would be doomed. We tried in-house in 2009 and the company shot it dead.

#2: In-house is always underfunded. Alaska had access to $5 million from the ALPA MCF (Major Contingency Fund) on day one, so did Jazz, and Airtran. Hawaiian got access to $2 million. In-house would require a $2,000 assessment of each pilot to garner the same funds.

#3: In-house is underresourced, it has no access to ALPA resources without an expensive professional services contract requiring an assessment, stuff like ALPA Legal, Financial Analysis, Aeromedical, Safety, Security, Engineering, Retirement & Insurance, etc..

#4: In-house is always underrepresented. When Spirit pilots struck, they reached out to the AFL-CIO, and shut down all USA business interests of the Indigo hedge fund which owns Spirit. It forced them to settle in five (5) days.

Does this answer your question? ALPA will be as good as your own elected MEC is, and only as successful as your own company is with revenue. They go hand and foot.

By law, ALPA can't negotiate a thing, only your MEC can. ALPA resources the effort, nothing more.

 

[Otto77]

Great post and good info! I thought an in house would be the way to go, but if it was that great you wouldn't have airlines like AirTran and others eventually switching to Alpa.

 

[$$$4nothin]

I am a first year FO on reserve. Baicly the lowest paid guy at JB and I wuold have no problem putting up $2k for an in house. Maybe there are 51% that also feel this way.

 

[fifty30retard]

I am a first year FO on reserve. Baicly the lowest paid guy at JB and I wuold have no problem putting up $2k for an in house. Maybe there are 51% that also feel this way.

You have a hostile "kicked-in-the-teeth" CEO, a direct quote of his from November 2008, from the JBPA card filing. How's your in-house going to do with him?

Good news though, the JBPA has been absorbed into the JAOC, mostly because of your CEO.

 

[Fins Up]

I like the idea of an in-house union, but I must say I don't think it would be successful. Even a $2k assessment wouldn't go far. However, I would take either JBPA or ALPA over what we have now.

 

[SkiDawg]

#1: In-house requires nurturing by management. You have "kicked-in-the-teeth" management, therefore, it would be doomed. We tried in-house in 2009 and the company shot it dead.

#2: In-house is always underfunded. Alaska had access to $5 million from the ALPA MCF (Major Contingency Fund) on day one, so did Jazz, and Airtran. Hawaiian got access to $2 million. In-house would require a $2,000 assessment of each pilot to garner the same funds.

#3: In-house is underresourced, it has no access to ALPA resources without an expensive professional services contract requiring an assessment, stuff like ALPA Legal, Financial Analysis, Aeromedical, Safety, Security, Engineering, Retirement & Insurance, etc..

#4: In-house is always underrepresented. When Spirit pilots struck, they reached out to the AFL-CIO, and shut down all USA business interests of the Indigo hedge fund which owns Spirit. It forced them to settle in five (5) days.

Does this answer your question? ALPA will be as good as your own elected MEC is, and only as successful as your own company is with revenue. They go hand and foot.

By law, ALPA can't negotiate a thing, only your MEC can. ALPA resources the effort, nothing more.

yep, thanks