JetBlue: Below average and it's going to stay that way.

[J32driver]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

Every time I read a post like this, all I can think is "abused wife syndrome". You get beat and you are convinced it is your fault. It is just sad.

 

[B6Busdriver]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

You are becoming more annoying than instuctordude. At least he's funny, you are just annoying.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

Wow!

Signing our PEA's??? Really????

Our PEA's have absolutely nothing to do with our retirement or health insurance, being kicked to COBRA for 18 months while on LTD (and then offered NO insurance after 5 years. Our PEA's have very little to do with our work rules.

When I was hired I was told that PAY AND BENEFITS would be at Southwest -2%. I was OK with that. The FACT is that we are nowhere near Southwest in ANY category...pay, work rules, retirement, insurance, LTD...

So, after being here over 8 years and hoping for things to get better (with a CBA) your advice is to just leave? At some point in your career (relative seniority, age and responsibilites considered) you are basically married to the company who employs you. Like it or not, that's the way it is in the US airline industry. I am married to this company and am trying to make it a better place to work for ALL pilots. I have voted for ALPA twice and will do it again.

All you "It's better than MESA" crowd just astound me! This is a major airline that is larger than Airtran, Frontier and Alaska. But you guys are just happy to wear the gaigh blue shirt. Get closer to age 50 and tell me what you think. And consider that you don't have tri-care or military retirement either (BlueBayou...this means you!).

And for those of you who really think that we are "only 3%" behind in our retirement....let me put this in perspective for you. In 2010 an Alaska pilot making $100k/yr got an additional $22,500 from the company put into their retirement account. A JB pilot who made $100k in 2010 got $5,000 put into his retirement account (another $5,000 IF the pilot put in $5,000) of his own money. That Alaska pilot got more than 100% more put into his retirement fund than the JB pilot got. Still think you are only 3% behind average? The company wants to believe that you're only 3% behind because that doesn't sound so bad now does it? The truth is that we are much worse off.

GP

 

[Fins Up]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

Many of us, myself included, did not sign the latest pea amendment. Signing or not signing doesn't fix our retirement, LOL/LTD, etc problems.

 

[shon7]

Wow!
When I was hired I was told that PAY AND BENEFITS would be at Southwest -2%. I was OK with that. The FACT is that we are nowhere near Southwest in ANY category...pay, work rules, retirement, insurance, LTD...GP

the FACT is that the market has changed DRASTICALLY in the last 8 years. Of course guys like you couldnt care less since it goes against the very entitlement mentality at the core of your being.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Christ, I pray you don't fly for us....

 

[pilotyip]

Is anyone happy to have one of the higher paid jobs in the US? with more days off than almost any job in the US? and the ability to go home and not have to take the job home with you. Is everyone really that unhappy?

 

[J32driver]

the FACT is that the market has changed DRASTICALLY in the last 8 years. Of course guys like you couldnt care less since it goes against the very entitlement mentality at the core of your being.

I've got a six pack that says this clown is furloughed Eastie who is now a Forest Hills cubicle dweller.

 

[tomgoodman]

Is everyone really that unhappy?

Probably not, but remember the old pilot axiom: "Never admit you have a good deal, or someone might bid in above you."

 

[shon7]

I've got a six pack that says this clown is furloughed Eastie who is now a Forest Hills cubicle dweller.

wow. thats one great comeback. Of course i would not expect more of an affirmative action welfare monger who flew a bunch of regional jets (supposedly)

 

[milehigh6080]

717 MTOW is 120,000....FWIW?

Thanks, I have no experience in the 717 and just found those numbers on Wikipedia. They list a 717-200 "basic gross weight" variant with MTOW of 110,000lb and 1430nm range as well as a "high gross weight" variant with MTOW of 121,000lb and 2060 nm range. I think the Basic Gross Weight version is a better comparison to the E190 which is why I referenced that one.

So yeah, even compared to the high gross weight model, the E190 is only 6,000 lbs off and is still squarely in that size range as opposed to RJ size range that our company would like to compare our pay rates to for political advantage purposes.

 

[milehigh6080]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

Dude!

Sweet idea, I'm almost embarassed that I didn't think of it sooner!

Tomorrow, I'm just gonna call FedEx and tell them to expect me in class on April 1. Or should I call Delta? Maybe Southwest? UPS?

All these options are making my head spin!! I never realized that working at XYZ carrier was as simple as just picking one and showing up to class.

I always thought that you had to wait until one announced that they were hiring, and that in general there are only a small number of "career" carriers hiring at any given time- if any at all. Once the window is open at your dream carrier, I always thought you needed to be in a good position to apply, vis a vis meeting their competitive minimums, being in a family and financial situation that allows you to step back to first year pay and junior reserve at a new carrier, and being one of the lucky ones chosen to interview out of the tall stack of resumes of people who look virtually identical to you on paper.

I guess the egg is really on my face, I can't believe I've been wasting my time by NOT just picking a sweet gig and showing up to work uninvited. Here I thought it was easier to retain my seniority at the profitable, revenue generating machine of an airline that I'm already at and sit down at a negotiating table with pilot representatives and company representatives reasonably discussing what my rightful share is in all this revenue. If not easier, maybe it's at least a decent way to spend my time till I choose from the multitude of really awesome job offers that I have right now.

 

[linepilot]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

Oh I'm taking a stand.

I'm hoping my stand trickles down to our NPS score.

Dave told me in no uncertain words during my interview 10 years ago that our insurance would improve as the company grew. I asked that question because it was VERY important for my family. What happened in 10 years is that our insurance got far worse. It is now arguably the WORST insurance enjoyed by major airline pilots.

So Dave changed his mind and so did I. You both need to deal with it fools.

No. I won't be going elsewhere. I changed my entire life based on the sales job that Dave and Dave and Al gave me and if I can't get my fellow pilots to bring them to Section 6 then at least I can get a good number of my fellow pilots to drag them into arbitration and a smaller number to withdraw their enthusiasm.

Enjoy.

 

[crash312]

Oh I'm taking a stand.

I'm hoping my stand trickles down to our NPS score.

Dave told me in no uncertain words during my interview 10 years ago that our insurance would improve as the company grew. I asked that question because it was VERY important for my family. What happened in 10 years is that our insurance got far worse. It is now arguably the WORST insurance enjoyed by major airline pilots.

So Dave changed his mind and so did I. You both need to deal with it fools.

No. I won't be going elsewhere. I changed my entire life based on the sales job that Dave and Dave and Al gave me and if I can't get my fellow pilots to bring them to Section 6 then at least I can get a good number of my fellow pilots to drag them into arbitration and a smaller number to withdraw their enthusiasm.

Enjoy.

There is no argument...it is the worst, probably among the regionals (minus skywest, for now) too. I know it is the worse amongst the 3 airlines I've been at, by far. The sad part is, it is about to get much, much worse. Of course, they will sell it as "industry leading".

 

[shon7]

Dave told me in no uncertain words during my interview 10 years ago that our insurance would improve as the company grew.

I changed my entire life based on the sales job that Dave and Dave and Al gave me

Oh dear. What a pity. Nevermind.

You took a risk by joining a startup airline and were aware of that. If the insurance issue was that important you should have insisted on a written commitment.

By the way, here's how you would have fared if you didnt join B6 (assuming you're not one of the regional pilots and not some disgruntled flight attendant posing as a pilot)

UAL - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
NWA - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
DAL- paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
US Air/ America West - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits but a place in the greatest show on earth
CAL - you'd have been a moron to leave
AMR - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits (coming soon)
LUV - you'd have been a moron to leave

So in case you didn't hear me the first time around:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT -- LEAVE.

 

[Smarta$$]

Dude!

Sweet idea, I'm almost embarassed that I didn't think of it sooner!

Tomorrow, I'm just gonna call FedEx and tell them to expect me in class on April 1. Or should I call Delta? Maybe Southwest? UPS?

All these options are making my head spin!! I never realized that working at XYZ carrier was as simple as just picking one and showing up to class.

I always thought that you had to wait until one announced that they were hiring, and that in general there are only a small number of "career" carriers hiring at any given time- if any at all. Once the window is open at your dream carrier, I always thought you needed to be in a good position to apply, vis a vis meeting their competitive minimums, being in a family and financial situation that allows you to step back to first year pay and junior reserve at a new carrier, and being one of the lucky ones chosen to interview out of the tall stack of resumes of people who look virtually identical to you on paper.

I guess the egg is really on my face, I can't believe I've been wasting my time by NOT just picking a sweet gig and showing up to work uninvited. Here I thought it was easier to retain my seniority at the profitable, revenue generating machine of an airline that I'm already at and sit down at a negotiating table with pilot representatives and company representatives reasonably discussing what my rightful share is in all this revenue. If not easier, maybe it's at least a decent way to spend my time till I choose from the multitude of really awesome job offers that I have right now.

BEST post in recent memory!

 

[Smarta$$]

Oh dear. What a pity. Nevermind.

You took a risk by joining a startup airline and were aware of that. If the insurance issue was that important you should have insisted on a written commitment.

By the way, here's how you would have fared if you didnt join B6 (assuming you're not one of the regional pilots and not some disgruntled flight attendant posing as a pilot)

UAL - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
NWA - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
DAL- paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
US Air/ America West - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits but a place in the greatest show on earth
CAL - you'd have been a moron to leave
AMR - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits (coming soon)
LUV - you'd have been a moron to leave

So in case you didn't hear me the first time around:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT -- LEAVE.

One of the WORST posts in recent memory!

 

[Lake Alice]

Oh dear. What a pity. Nevermind.

You took a risk by joining a startup airline and were aware of that. If the insurance issue was that important you should have insisted on a written commitment.

By the way, here's how you would have fared if you didnt join B6 (assuming you're not one of the regional pilots and not some disgruntled flight attendant posing as a pilot)

UAL - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
NWA - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
DAL- paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
US Air/ America West - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits but a place in the greatest show on earth
CAL - you'd have been a moron to leave
AMR - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits (coming soon)
LUV - you'd have been a moron to leave

So in case you didn't hear me the first time around:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT -- LEAVE.

UAL better benefits and retirement
NWA...
DAL better pay, benefits and retirement
USair better benefits
CAL...
AMR better pay, retirement and benefits. Even in bankruptcy AMRs initial offer of retirement is better than JetBlue.

Stop talking to blue bayou. He's making you look as bad as him.

 

[Lake Alice]

Shon7, learn to read.

 

[Lake Alice]