Jet Blue teams w/Big Brother

[flewa72]

JetBlue violates its privacy policy

Carrier gave itineraries to Defense Dept. contractor for study Associated Press

http://www.msnbc.com/news/969189.asp?0cv=CB10

Can you say--whoops!?

 

[jetblue320]

Read on MacDuff

You need to read the entire story before you start pointing a finger.

Firstly, there was only one person out of thousands that complained.

Secondly, the infomation that was released was nothing more than what anyone could retrieve from a phonebook.

And most importantly, who gives a rat's as&!

C ya

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

Re: Read on MacDuff

Firstly, there was only one person out of thousands that complained.

yea, but now it's on CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/09/19/bi.jetblue.privacy.ap/index.html

 

[FL000]

Re: Read on MacDuff

You need to read the entire story before you start pointing a finger.

Firstly, there was only one person out of thousands that complained.

Secondly, the infomation that was released was nothing more than what anyone could retrieve from a phonebook.

And most importantly, who gives a rat's as&!

C ya

"The Torch study analyzed the records JetBlue provided in September 2002, as well as other demographic data collected about the passengers, including Social Security numbers and information about their finances and families."

Firstly, maybe only one so far, but how many knew? I'm sure the number will grow.

Secondly, that must be one heck of a phone book you have.

Most importantly, I would give a rat's a$$ if I were on that list. It is a lot of work to keep one's private info private. I'm not naive enough to think that the government knows nothing about me, but I don't expect companies that serve me to help the government assimilate that data into some sort of pool.

I will give credit to JB for stepping up to the plate and 'fessing up. That's the proper way to handle it. Personally I don't think it will make a big difference in the long run, though I could see a couple of lawsuits coming out of it. Everyone makes mistakes.

 

[jetblue320]

Re: Re: Read on MacDuff

I have done more than read the story. I read the letter that JetBlue sent out regarding this. I also am aware of something called privacy rights.

Jetblue made a HUGE mistake. So have many companies. They will recover from the bad PR and move on.

What bothers me is the very "Jim Jones" gotta "drink the koolaid"mentality of some of you. There is no defense for this.

Let your company management do their damage control thing, and stop being so defensive about every thing that goes wrong in the company.

There is a dangerous situation that develops when employees are so jaded to reality that their mentality will defend their employer as if it is their own newborn infant.

Les

Les,

I never said we didn't make a mistake and I don't need to defend my company or my mentality. All I wanted to point out is that some people only see the headline and draw a conclusion.

What bothers "me" is how you seem to be bothered by our mentality. How does this affect you? I have seen most of your postings on this forum and they are for the most part, anti-jetBlue. Do you have some sort of hidden bone to pick with anyone here or do you just dislike what you don't understand?

Just curious.

C ya

 

[jetblue320]

For The Record

This is a quote from a official press release from jetBlue:

"We provided limited historical customer data including names, addresses and phone numbers. It DID NOT include personal financial information, credit card information, or social security numbers. To be clear, we provided only the personal information that could be found in a phonebook."

Maybe CNN's coverage stated differently, I don't know, I didn't see the show/coverage. I was too busy drinking kool-aid and counting my worthless stocks wishing I worked for a real airline.

Try to have a good day.

 

[Snoopy58]

Firstly, there was only one person out of thousands that complained.

Well, it's up to a lot more than that... Wired magazine says

At least one of JetBlue's customers has already spoken to lawyers and privacy groups to discuss a possible lawsuit against JetBlue.

Joshua Gruber, a frequent JetBlue passenger who works for database company IX Solutions, sent e-mails to friends and family members after reading reports of the data transfer. The number of people who responded with outrage to his e-mails grew quickly to about 100, and at that point, the group decided to seek legal advice.

Their entire story is at http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60502,00.html

The story also references a "Don't Spy On Us" website,
http://www.dontspyon.us/jetblueclassaction.html

It's an issue. Not, I should hope, an "end of the world" issue, but I doubt that it can be dismissed as simply as "one lone complainer."


[edited to correct a brain-dead spelling goof]

 

[jetblue320]

Well, it's up to a lot more than that... It's an issue. Not, I should hope, an "end of the world" issue, but I doubt that it can be dismissed as simply as "one loan complainer."

The news shoore duz travel fast on that there internet, don't it.
All I can say is "whoops" and hopefully this won't turn into a frenzy but I think it already has. Here we go with all the legal hoopla and a bunch of lawyers getting rich off of it.

We'll see, then we'll know.

C Ya

 

[jaxgus]

Re: Re: Read on MacDuff

..........

What bothers me is the very "Jim Jones" gotta "drink the koolaid"mentality of some of you. There is no defense for this.

Let your company management do their damage control thing, and stop being so defensive about every thing that goes wrong in the company.

There is a dangerous situation that develops when employees are so jaded to reality that their mentality will defend their employer as if it is their own newborn infant.

Les

What is wrong with defending our company? The reason I defend it is all Crewmembers at jetBlue are part of the jetBlue team and we are working torwards a common goal -- a properous company. Our senior management is part of this team and we all admit our mistakes, state how we will fix our shortcomings and work as a team to make this a better company to work for. Maybe if we had this spirit in other companies in the US we wouldn't need lawyers, et al unions, to solve our internal problems.

Pride in one's company is the cornerstone to that company being a success. Think of how many hours in our lives we spend at work. I'd rather enjoy being there as opposed to dreading waking up knowing I have to go to work. I left the military because it was no fun being at work anymore. I appauld any person who defends his company when it does the right thing; publically admitting our mistake and correcting our errors.

What the articles listed in this post don't mention, standard news reporting techniques, is that jetBlue didn't provide information to the government. We didn't provide financial, private or sensitive information just names, addresses and phone numbers. If you want to look at who provided one persons information to the govenrment look no further than Torch Concepts.

Regardless, here's to anyone who is proud of their company and willing to defend their team.

 

[FDJ2]

We'll see, then we'll know.

[/B]

That's exactly right. There will undoubtedly be an investigation and the truth will come out. If JBLU violated the trust of its customers, than JBLU will pay the consequences, if not, than this will all blow away. In either case, I'm sure that JBLU will survive this bump in the road.

 

[SpeedBird]

Les, 320, et al:

I posted my comments on a related thread in the general section of this forum, but I'll repeat my thoughts here also.

I am a jetBlue employee, although I'm currently on military leave and am not able to access company intranet info. So I can't comment on that part of information trail. However, I've read multiple other sources which has been put out in the public realm, and have read enough to draw my own conclusions.

First, jetBlue has admitted that it has failed in maintaining it's fiduciary responsibility to its valued customers. JetBlue's privacy excerpt:

"The financial and personal information collected on this site is not shared with any third parties...."

http://www.jetblue.com/privacy.html

This is has been acknowledged by David Neeleman and quoted in the NYTimes:

"JetBlue Airways acknowledged publicly today that it had provided a Pentagon contractor with information on more than one million of its passengers as part of a program to track down terrorists and other "high risk" passengers. That data, which was turned over in violation of the airline's own privacy policies, was then used to identify the passengers' Social Security numbers, financial histories and occupations."

"This was a mistake on our part and I know you and many of our customers feel betrayed by it," said David Neeleman, JetBlue's chief executive, in an e-mail message that the airline, based in New York, said was sent to about 150 passengers who had written in so far to complain.

Read full article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/20/b...00&en=0738176f1ddfa6d2&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

As you can see from the excerpt even though jetBlue did not directly release credit card, ssan, and occupation information, it was still acquired from the basic information jetBlue provided. Some can wave this off as a minor issue, and say that it is information that can be found in any phone book, but most folks today do not allow their information to be released publicly...even in the local phone book.

The fact that Torch Concepts, Inc. then used that basic info to acquire even more detailed information should give everyone concern on how easy it is for some entities to use such data to gain even sensitive personal information about us.


I believe that someone in jetBlue's management made a fundamental mistake on this occassion. Bottomline, jetBlue and David Neeleman cannot let this kind of incident happen again. The airline is now exposed to possible litigation, which will cost the company both time and money, and partially divert management's attention away from its core mission of growing the airline. But the biggest damage will be the loss of passenger goodwill as this gets greater publicity over the next few days.

I don't think JetBlue will be fatally flawed as a result from this incident, but it needs to be retained in the long-term corporate memory so it isn't considered again, unless required by law. Anyone who knows my postings will know that I am BIG SUPPORTER of jetBlue, but I believe this time we stepped on it. However, I am supremely confident that jetBlue will do the right thing by its customers.

 

[NYRANGERS]

From the NY Times

The last paragraph is shameful. It is great they decided to "assist", but they could have told their pax first. As I have said before, using 9-11 as an excuse is abhorrant. There is no reason jetBlue could not have told pax they would give up their name , addresses and phone numbers. But I guess they figured that info would hurt their bookings. Shameful.





JetBlue Gave Defense Firm Files on Passengers

Published September 20. 2003 8:30AM

New York Times


WASHINGTON, Sept. 19 JetBlue Airways acknowledged publicly today that it had provided a Pentagon contractor with information on more than one million of its passengers as part of a program to track down terrorists and other "high risk" passengers. That data, which was turned over in violation of the airline's own privacy policies, was then used to identify the passengers' Social Security numbers, financial histories and occupations.



JetBlue, a three-year-old discount airline, sent an e-mail message to passengers this week, conceding that it had made a mistake in providing the records last year to Torch Concepts, an Army contractor in Huntsville, Ala., for a research project on "airline passenger risk assessment."



"This was a mistake on our part and I know you and many of our customers feel betrayed by it," said David Neeleman, JetBlue's chief executive, in an e-mail message that the airline, based in New York, said was sent to about 150 passengers who had written in so far to complain.



Mr. Neeleman, the founder of JetBlue, which has been a rare success in the airline industry and has prospered because of its reputation for low fares and consumer friendliness, insisted that none of the passenger information was shared with the government. "The sole set of data in Torch's possession has been destroyed," he wrote. "No government agency ever had access to it."



Privacy rights groups expressed astonishment that JetBlue had shared so much passenger information with a contractor, describing the privacy breach as among the most serious reported by any American company in recent years.



JetBlue's announcement comes at a time when many civil liberties groups are warning that privacy rights are becoming victims of the government's struggle against terrorism and the desire of law enforcement and intelligence agencies for quick access to customer information that has traditionally been closely held by corporations.



The airline said it had provided Torch Concepts with records on about five million individual itineraries, reflecting the travels of about 1.1 million passengers in 2001 and 2002. The records, it said, would have included the passengers' names, addresses and phone numbers but not credit card numbers or government identification numbers commonly collected from travelers like passport numbers.



A lawyer for Torch Concepts, Richard Marsden, said that the passenger records provided by JetBlue were destroyed by the contractor earlier this week after the existence of the project was reported by Wired News, a technology-news Web site. "It's all been destroyed in the last 24 hours," he said in a telephone interview.



But privacy advocates said further investigation was needed. "Five million is a big number," said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. "JetBlue passengers have reason to be very upset. Will the data be destroyed? Will there be some compensation for the passengers?"



Mr. Neeleman said that the passenger information was turned over last year as a result of an "exceptional request from the Department of Defense to assist their contractor, Torch Concepts, with a project regarding military base security." He said that JetBlue was told that "this project had no connection with aviation security."



The Pentagon, which was still largely shut down because of Hurricane Isabel, had no immediate comment on the issue.



Torch Concepts, which describes itself in promotional material as a "content-management and information-mining" company, was hired by the Army more than three years ago to determine how information from public and private records might be analyzed to help defend military bases from attack by terrorists and other adversaries.



While the company has insisted that the Army study was never intended to be used to improve security at civilian airports, there was clearly discussion within the company of whether its research might be of use to the Department of Homeland Security, which is responsible for airport security.



In a study prepared in February and released at a symposium sponsored by the Homeland Security Department, Torch Concepts said that "several data elements have been identified which best distinguish normal JetBlue passengers from past terrorists."



The report said that after receiving the passenger information from JetBlue, Torch Concepts matched the passenger names against a variety of databases that it had purchased from Acxiom, a large consumer research company.



"For approximately 40 percent of the passengers," the report said, the Acxiom databases provided additional "demographic information," including a passenger's Social Security number, occupation, income, gender and home- and car-ownership history, as well as the number of adults and children living in the passenger's household.



Mr. Marsden said the company and its study had no link to the Pentagon's broad electronic surveillance project known as Terrorist Information Awareness, which has drawn harsh criticism from Capitol Hill and from privacy groups in recent months who consider it an effort to intrude on the rights of Americans in the name of counterterrorism.



Nor, he said, was there any link between the Torch Concepts' project and a huge government passenger-screening program that is now being developed by the Transportation Security Administration. The government's antiterrorism program, the second phase in a effort known as the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System, has also been criticized by privacy advocates as overly intrusive.



Gareth Edmondson-Jones, a spokesman for JetBlue, said in a telephone interview that the decision to provide the passenger information to Torch Concepts was a clear violation of the company's own policy. "We have the strongest privacy policy in the industry, which clearly says that we don't supply customer data to third parties," he said.



Asked if Mr. Neeleman or other senior executives had approved the sharing of the passenger information, Mr. Edmondson-Jones said he did not know, adding that there had been no discussion of disciplinary action against anyone at the company for the policy breach. "That's not even come up," he said. "We made the decision as a company, at whatever level it was done."



He suggested that the decision to turn over the passenger information to the contractor was motivated by the airline's concern with security in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "In a post 9/11 word troubled by security issues and terrorists, we had a special request from the Department of Defense to assist in a military project," he said. "The decision was made to assist."

 

[turbo potato]

You dumb mexican...what the hell is (((((abhorrant))))?

I'm gonna hang out with my wang out

Peace in the Middle East

 

[NYRANGERS]

News travels fast

http://jetblue.newstrove.com/

 

[Dizel8]

With sadness, I must admit, that jetBlue made a mistake. The company has acknowledge as much and has admitted the wrong, while reaffirming its position, that it will refrain for divulging such information in the future.

I think an important lesson has been learned. The intent was apparently to increase safety and while that is all good and well, the Modus Operandi was in error.

The company has accepted blame. But that is apperantly not enough for some and would not be surprised to see a lawsuit or two. Nothing like making the lawyers richer!

Now the question becomes: What do we as crewmembers believe must be done to enhance security? While I do not relish the thought of Homeland Security (Gimme a break. John Ashcroft is an idiot and while he does not run HS, his dept of Justice is Orwillian) gaining more info, it appears one way or another, some sort of CAPPS or profiling is needed. Remember, all that work in the industry was subjected to a 10 year background check.

Now, I know that some are against profiling, hence we continue to consider a 90 old grandma, a three year old kid and a medal of honor recipient a security risk. To me, that is PC gone entirely to far. I always have to bite my tongue going through security, after all, I am the person flying the a/c, with the companys blessing, yet the TSA is there to ensure, that I do not fly it in an unbecoming manner. I must be missing something. You are absolutely right, take away my scissors, the crash axe will do just fine

I saw a funny posting somewhere, sure y'all have seen it. It talks about who hijacks airplanes, multiple choice fashion. Having seen history repeat itself over and over, at what point should we decide, that the good of the many overrides the cuddling of the few?

 

[Dizel8]

Found the quiz, sur you all have seen it, but if not, here it is. Not sure it is funny or sad.The Muzzie Quiz

A multiple-choice quiz that tests your memory of Islam's crimes against the United States of America.

"...One hundred percent of the successful terrorist attacks on commercial airlines for 20 years have been committed by Arabs. When there is a 100 percent chance of being hijacked by an Arab Muslim Extremist, it ceases to be a profile. It's called a 'description of the suspect...."

-- Ann Coulter


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#1 In 1968 who assassinated Robert Kennedy?
(a) Abbe Hoffman
(b) Tiny Tim
(c) Charles Manson
(d) Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40

#2 In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
(a)Olga Corbutt
(b)Sitting Bull
(c)Arnold Schwartzeneger
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#3 In 1979,the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Lost Norwegians
(b) Elvis
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#4 During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
(a) John Dillinger
(b) The King of Sweden
(c) The Boy Scouts
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#5 In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A Domino's pizza delivery boy
(b) Pee Wee Herman
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

#6 In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
(a) The Smurfs
(b) Davy Jones
(c) The Little Mermaid
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

#7 In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:
(a) Captain Kid
(b) Charles Lindberg
(c) Mother Teresa
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#8 In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a) Scooby Doo
(b) The Tooth Fairy
(c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid with dynamite left over from the
train job.
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#9 In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
(a) Richard Simmons
(b) Grandma Moses
(c) Michael Jordan
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#10 In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers
(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha
the Merciless"
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#11 In 1999, The USS Cole was attacked and more than 15 American Sailors were killed by:
(a) David Letterman
(b) Shaquille O'Neil
(c) The Cookie Monster
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#12 On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:
(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
(b) The Supreme Court of Florida
(c) Mr. Bean
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#13 In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
(a)Enron
(b)The Lutheran Church
(c)The NFL
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#14 In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
(a) Bonny and Clyde
(b) Captain Kangaroo
(c) Billy Graham
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#15 In 2001 Phillipene Missionaries Gracia and Martin Burnham were kidnapped, held for over a year, and Martin subsequently killed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers
(b) Scooby Doo & Shaggy
(c) Ronald Reagan
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#16 On July 4th 2002, 2 Innocent Airline Passengers Were Killed, And 3 Others Injured at the ticket counter of El Al Airlines in the LAX International terminal by:
(a) Hulk Hogan after losing the WWF Title
(b) The cast of Monty Python
(c) Senator Lil' Tommy Daschle
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41

#17 On July 31st 5 Americans were killed by a Palestinian HAMAS bomber in Jerusalem while attending school by:
(a) The US Congress
(b) The tooth fairy
(c) The easter bunny
(d) Muslim male extremits mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#18 On October 12th 2002 more than 200 innocent civilians (including 200 Australians and 5 Americans) were brutally murdered by:
(a)Kermit the Frog & Miss Piggy
(b)Bert & Ernie from Sesame Street
(c)Charles Barkley
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41


#19 On October 29th 2002 more than 700 Moscow theatre goers were taken hostage and threatened with execution by:
(a)Royal Canadian Mounted Police
(b)Laurie Dhue of Fox News Channel
(c)Phil Donahue, of MSNBC, pissed because Fox News is kicking his ass
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

Terror is not limited to race or faith

1. In 1881 the tsar of Russia was assassinated by:
a. a Russian terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1886 a bomb exploded at a demonstration in Chicago killing seven police
officers and demonstrators and injuring 67.
Who was responsible?
a. labor extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. Between 1889 and 1909 over 1700 African-Americans were lynched in the
United States by:
a. white Southern extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1894 the president of France was assassinated by:
a. a French terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1897 the premier of Spain was assassinated by:
a. a Spanish terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1898 the empress of Austria was assassinated by:
a. a Austrian terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1900 the king of Italy was assassinated by:
a. an Italian terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1901 the president of the United States was assassinated by:
a. an American terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1914 who assassinated Archduke Ferdinand of Austria-Hungar, starting the
First World War that resulted in at least 20 million deaths?
a. a Bosnian terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. Who launched suicide attacks in explosive laden aircraft on American
warships in 1945, sinking 40 ships?
a. Japanese Kamikaze pilots
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. Who blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946 killing 91 British
soldiers as well as British, Jewish, and Arab civilians (the most deadly
terrorist act that has ever taken place in Palestine or Israel to this day)?
a. Jewish terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. Who massacred 247 men, women and children in a Palestinian village in 1948
in order to cause panic among Palestinians and convince them to flee their
homes?
a. Jewish terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. Who set off a bomb in a Birmingham church in 1963 killing four young girls
at Sunday school
a. white Southern extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. Between 1969 and 1994 who killed over 3000 soldiers, police and civilians
in bombings and assassinations in Northern Ireland with the support of groups in
the United States and Great Britain?
a. Catholic and Protestant terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

15. Who waged a campaign of bombings and killings in northern Spain since the
1970s?
a. Basque terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

16. In 1982 who massacred over 800 Palestinians in refugee camps, mostly women
and children?
a. Lebanese Christian militias with the support of the Israeli army in Lebanon
and its commander, Ariel Sharon (now prime minister of Israel)
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

17. Who set off a powerful car bomb at the American headquarters at Ramstein
airbase, Germany in 1981, injuring 14?
a. German terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

18. Since 1970 who killed thousands of police, judges, lawyers, clergy, and
other civilians in Colombia, Peru, Guatemala, and El Salvador?
a. drug cartels, leftist guerillas, right-wing paramilitary groups
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

19. Who set off bombs at abortion clinics killing 2 receptionists in 1994,
murdered 2 abortion clinic workers in 1995, and assassinated 3 doctors in 1993,
1994, and 1998?
a. American anti-abortion extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

20. In 1995 who released nerve gas in the Tokyo subway killing 12 and injuring
more than 5000?
a. Japanese religious extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

21. In 1995 who set off a bomb at the Federal building in Oklahoma City
killing 168 people?
a. an American terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

22. In the 1990s who sent letter bombs through the mail in the United States
killing 3 people?
a. an American terrorist named Theodore Kacynski
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

23. Who massacred 29 Muslim worshipers at a mosque in Hebron in 1994
a. a Jewish extremist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

24. Who assassinated the prime minister of Israel, Yitzhak Rabin, in 1995?
a. a Jewish extremist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

25. Who assassinated Mahatma Gandhi in 1948 and two prime ministers of India,
Indira Gandhi in 1984 and Rajiv Gandhi in 1991?
a. Hindu, Sikh, and Tamil extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

26. In the last 17 months who has "unintentionally" killed over 800 Palestinian
policemen and innocent civilians in their efforts to combat terrorism. [over
twice as many innocent victims as the "Muslim male extremists mostly between the
ages of 17 and 40" have been killed in Israel and the occupied territories]
a. Israeli Defense Forces
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

I'll give you a hint. The correct answer to all these questions IS NOT "B"

 

[NYRANGERS]

Dizel 8

While that may be.........please......Ann Coulter.

The subject at hand is what JB did, not what terrorists did. Delta was going to be the test bed for CAPPS and the public responded........Delta did not go with the program....meanwhile JB offered up info on 5 million itineraries. I would expect class action lawsuits and continuing lawsuits from any of the 1.6 million pax that may have their identity stolen in the future (even if it is not related to this).

If you want to talk about terrorists start a new thread, no problem. However there is no defense for JB. They could have told their pax they were giving their info to a third party and let the chips fall. They chose to hide the truth, time will tell how big a mistake this was.




From jetBlue's privacy policy statement.........

Our ticketing functionality is powered by OpenSkies Inc. The financial and personal information collected on this site is not shared with any third parties, and is protected by secure servers.

 

[jetblue320]

Re: Dizel 8

While that may be.........please......Ann Coulter.

The subject at hand is what JB did, not what terrorists did. Delta was going to be the test bed for CAPPS and the public responded........Delta did not go with the program....meanwhile JB offered up info on 5 million itineraries. I would expect class action lawsuits and continuing lawsuits from any of the 1.6 million pax that may have their identity stolen in the future (even if it is not related to this).

What JB did was wrong but only violated their own policy. Wow, talk about the JB boys being defensive! You are very quick to point out that Delta didn't make that mistake. What will the lawsuits be for? Identity theft? Yes, JB screwed up by trusting a contractor gathering info, but what was the damage? If we lose customer trust on a wide scale, that's not a good thing. But as far as damage to a persons identity, I hardly think it is much different than applying for a credit card and giving them your stats.

Like you Delta guys always say, time will tell.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Re: Re: Dizel 8

What will the lawsuits be for? Identity theft? Yes, JB screwed up by trusting a contractor gathering info, but what was the damage? If we lose customer trust on a wide scale, that's not a good thing. But as far as damage to a persons identity, I hardly think it is much different than applying for a credit card and giving them your stats.

Like you Delta guys always say, time will tell.

Breach of contract for starters.............stop defending a wrong. Hopefully this will pass without much incident. I believe if you (jetBlue) continue to make excuses the public backlash may be worse than you think. However.........time will tell



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