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Bavarian Chef said:
Every US Airways dude in my class has nothing but bad things to say about a long call / short call system. WTF? I thought we were getting an improvement.
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BC,

Take it with a grain of salt and consider the source. They're furloughed Airways. They've been getting the crappy end of the stick for years. They usually have nothing but bad things to say about everything. They're not bad people, but you can only beat a dog for so long before they become mean.

Most pilot groups have to negotiate to get a long call reserve option. Have you ever heard of any group voluntarily giving it back? Choices are always good. Long call will work for some of us and for some it won't. I hope we get a long call/short call option.
 
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I had an interesting jump seater over the weekend. He was a NWA furloughee that had just left Jet Blue to return to NWA after one year at Blue. When asked why, he said that long story short, the Bus Captains had it pretty good at Blue but all of the FOs and the 190 guys were miserable. He said as bad as it was at NWA now, he couldn't see staying around JB any longer. FOs are leaving in droves and hiring is working hard to keep up with the hemorrhaging. He said from a customer standpoint, it was a great product, but from an employee standpoint, it sucks. Of course I asked him if he really did clean the cabin and he said, "he would help out if he had time and it really wasn't that big of a deal." There was more to the conversation that I don't remember the details of, but he summed it up by saying that the "blue Kool-Aid" wore off after a couple of months on the line. Like I said, I don't have a dog in this fight and have only read this thread for entertainment, but I find it disturbing that someone would actually leave there to return to the cesspool that is NWA right now.
 
Caveman said:
BC,

Take it with a grain of salt and consider the source. They're furloughed Airways. They've been getting the crappy end of the stick for years. They usually have nothing but bad things to say about everything. They're not bad people, but you can only beat a dog for so long before they become mean.

Most pilot groups have to negotiate to get a long call reserve option. Have you ever heard of any group voluntarily giving it back? Choices are always good. Long call will work for some of us and for some it won't. I hope we get a long call/short call option.
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Long call system sucks I will add. Never has it worked in the three airlines I have been employed
 
Lake Alice said:
Ask the Airways guys if their short/long call system ever worked the way it should have. With our scheduling department... well we can hope.
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I thought the long / med / short call at Airways worked quite well. A few issues involved when and who would be transitioned to med or short call, but it wasn't that much of a problem. It sure beat 100% 1 1/2 hr short call.

Long call was basically a day off, but you kept in the back of your mind you might be transitioned any time, in which case you had about 10-12 hours to be in position.

Never was a probelm.
 
Bavarian Chef said:
Fedex your pee to the training center in MCO and I think you are in.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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I think I'll be able to produce more than 3 ounces, can I still go through security?
 
Captzaahlie said:
AHHHHHHH, Try post number 2 in this very thread............

Ok, that might have been a little standoffish of me so here is the link to make

it easy for you: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=96720

Kids these days....... :)!

Good luck and see you there Puttin,
Capt. Z
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Well Cappy, I appreciate your confindence in my reading abilities, but perhaps I have been trying to access that e-flyer without any luck. I've made repeated attempts at the other forums, and can't get to the open house info. So, my request was not for a reposting of the same crap, but a textual posting of the Thursday's details. You were amazingly helpful....
 
puttin4doh said:
Well Cappy, I appreciate your confindence in my reading abilities, but perhaps I have been trying to access that e-flyer without any luck. I've made repeated attempts at the other forums, and can't get to the open house info. So, my request was not for a reposting of the same crap, but a textual posting of the Thursday's details. You were amazingly helpful....
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I'm not sure which if any of that was sarcasim so sorry for the playfull jab.

Here is a cut and past if the link didn't work for you:

Hello Blue Pilots:

Please pass the word that we are hosting a Pilot Open House on Thursday, April 19 at the Orlando Support Campus from 1000 a.m. to 2p.m. Attached is an eflyer for you to send to competitive candidates interested in joining the JetBlue Team. Our previous events have been extremely successful as you continue to invite Pilots that emulate our values and reflect the same high level of professionalism as you.

The Open House is a great opportunity for candidates to get a good taste of our culture. During their visit we showcase the campus with tours conducted by the Flt Ops Training Team. The Flt Ops and Training Leadership Team gather candidates in the Auditorium for an overview of the "JetBlue Pilot Job" and solicit questions while providing candid answers. Candidates also meet with a Pilot Recruiter to review their resume and clarify questions or concerns.

Thank you for helping us promote this event and for your contribution in growing our culture!

Verna Kay
Director, Pilot Recruitment


There is a Jet blue shuttle bus operating from outside the jb bagage claim area that will run you over to the training area...... pm me if you need more details!

Capt. Z
 
Dogwood said:
I thought the long / med / short call at Airways worked quite well. A few issues involved when and who would be transitioned to med or short call, but it wasn't that much of a problem. It sure beat 100% 1 1/2 hr short call.

Long call was basically a day off, but you kept in the back of your mind you might be transitioned any time, in which case you had about 10-12 hours to be in position.

Never was a probelm.
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I question the feasibility of a long call/short call reserve system with us because of the people working it. The other day I flew with a reserve captain who, on his last day of 6, had 30 minutes remaining and called crew scheduling to release him. They would not release him. I think the concept would be great, senior guys bid it and that saves the company money. There are so many reasons for why it can work and primarily one reason for why it won't.
 
saabservant said:
Hey, about hiring- I interviewed there in 2000, no offer.
Went to an Open House a few months ago, no interview invitation.
Am told I interview well, but I do not have degree(working on it-ex-military)
Plenty of 121 PIC
Should I attend this month and try to ask a screener to give me an explanation, or tell me to look elsewhere....

Anything is better than this nwa regional position..... Thanks!
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Go and ask, I was hired with only an AS degree.

ps, I'll be there for anyone that I recognize/know, will help them along, ie, introduce them to VK, etc.
 
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I just got hired without any degree. From what I can tell seems like they focus on the overall package and the personality, that or I slipped through the cracks. Who knows???
 
Lake Alice said:
I question the feasibility of a long call/short call reserve system with us because of the people working it. The other day I flew with a reserve captain who, on his last day of 6, had 30 minutes remaining and called crew scheduling to release him. They would not release him. I think the concept would be great, senior guys bid it and that saves the company money. There are so many reasons for why it can work and primarily one reason for why it won't.
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It's because there are no rules. There are "Guidelines" that can be disregarded at will.
 
Any info on MCO ever becoming a domicile? What equipment it would be for..., how large of a base..., senior or junior...?
 
it is just rumor, A/C? who knows. crews? who knows, just rumor dude.
 
Good Intel Source but all is rumor untill it actually happens

OK I just flew the Real Estate man in charge (GS) from RSW to JFK yesterday and as he did not say anything was confidential I will share some of our conversation with you.

1.) Mngmt. has definitely noticed the amount of folks moving on to other airlines. They hope the pay raises will start to help with retention and acknowledge that there are other items to be addressed to make the over all work environment better. Each turn over cost the company around $30k, so it is in there best interest to keep the pilots happy. But he also knows that if a pilot wants to make more money flying for FedEx or UPS makes them happy then he/she should do it.

2.) In keeping with the theme of keeping the pilots happy. He said look for the MCO base around third quarter of 07. We spoke of MCO as a 320 base and did not discuss plans for the 190 in MCO so I can't offer any more on that. He did not know how the seniority of the base would work out as it is not his dept. however I think we figured with over 100 crewmembers living in the MCO area you can look for Capt. to go very senior and as for the FO's it will probably mirror FLL. Some senior FO's with a mix of mid-level FO's next and probably a few newhires to round out the reserve coverage. Once in the base I would not look to get off reserve very fast. I do not think it will be as bad as LGB and will still be a pretty good deal if you live in the MCO area. However if you plan on commuting you might want to think twice. The loads to the home of the "RAT" can be a nightmare. I know that MCO has been a rumor for a very long time. Last year was to be "The Year" it opened but was put on hold due to RTP. Now that we are making a little money and they are looking for things to boost moral a new base makes sense.
Growth plans at JetBlue seem to include an MCO base. When thinking of new destinations for us he was not very specific for obvious reasons. However he did mention that many of the places they are looking would originate in MCO and head South. I think we said if you put up a map to throw darts at you better be a pretty good shot as some of your targets are pretty small down there in all that water. I am thinking they are looking at places that are working for Spirit and American. We all know that the loads to (SJU,BQN,PSE) are very good so there are definitely more places that would support our service.

3.) West Coast base hopefuls better plan on at least another year. OAK is still the most likely but the company wants to see how we are accepted in the SFO area first.

4.) As for those of us still hopeful for an IAD base. Not likely. MWAA will be passing on the costs of all the construction (New Rwy./New Trains/New Twr./New Term.) to the airlines over the next 5 years. This makes an already tough market (United, SWA) that much harder to make some money in. So it looks like status quo for us IAD guys/gals.

5.) As for new US destinations he said he thinks we can look for 6 new ones this year. Once again not very specific but he did show us a route map with excisting cities as well as unnamed dots on it. Some were quite easy to pick up on. (Think three cities in particular that are hubs to certain Red Tail a/c)
When I asked when they might start he said " When JetBlue is ready to pick a fight" acknowledging that the Red Tail airline is not known for there hospitality when you come and play in there sand box. Most of the other dots were the usual suspects but it was interesting to see some of the dots up North of the border. Maybe some plans are being laid for the new open skies agreement? Who knows? My crystal ball was smashed about 1 1/2 years ago.

Hope that the info helps with what ever decision you may have to make.
ie. Should I stay or should I go or To take the job or not. All in all it is not such a bad place to work. Are there problems? Sure there are. Are they being addressed? Somewhat, but of course you can not please everyone and you are best to remember that when reading anything on FlightInfo. In the end you do what is best for you and yours.

Trash Man

P.S.
Please spare me the grammer police. I had alot to say and a short time to say it. So as we use to say Improvise, Adapt, Overcome. Translation is if you want to grade papers be a school teacher. Better job security in it for you anyway.
Now to get at that honey do list.
1.) Clean Litter Box
2.) Make the cat disappear ( hear kitty kitty )
 

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