Jet Blue Application

[BentOver]

I updated my application weekly and it seemed to work out well. Most of the guys I know here did the same fwiw.

Thanks,


Last year I applied (while on furlough) had all my recs. lined up etc... But shortly after I luckily found a job. Had to move and all that occupied a ton of my time. So everythijng else job related got put on the back burner for a long time. I'll be updating weekly for sure.


Beach Bummer, good to know.:beer:

Thanks for all the info. I don't mean to sound so "over eager" but JB fits in perfectly with what I want to do both professionally and personally.


Obscure question #3:

Regarding the background check..If you're absolutely positive you have nothing on your record. Haven't had any traffick violation in years. And never had any issues with traffic violations. All your recommendations and job info is in order. What, if anything in Phase II would stop an applicant?\

Just asking because if somehow I get passed Phase I, I'd want to start planning for the new job ASAP (moving, making flight arrangements, finding new place to live etc). And with nothing in my background I'd be pretty certain it shouldn't be too much of a problem to pass Phase II..But I'd hate for some obscure thing I didn't know about to foul it up...Like they couldn't get a hold of a rec. or could get a hold of an old job or something?

 

[TDK90]

If successful do you get offered a specific airframe prior to class or is it done during indoc? Thanks

 

[Flyby1206]

If successful do you get offered a specific airframe prior to class or is it done during indoc? Thanks

Day 1 of class you find out equip/base. They let the oldest pick first and go down the list from there

 

[crash312]

Thanks,


Last year I applied (while on furlough) had all my recs. lined up etc... But shortly after I luckily found a job. Had to move and all that occupied a ton of my time. So everythijng else job related got put on the back burner for a long time. I'll be updating weekly for sure.


Beach Bummer, good to know.:beer:

Thanks for all the info. I don't mean to sound so "over eager" but JB fits in perfectly with what I want to do both professionally and personally.


Obscure question #3:

Regarding the background check..If you're absolutely positive you have nothing on your record. Haven't had any traffick violation in years. And never had any issues with traffic violations. All your recommendations and job info is in order. What, if anything in Phase II would stop an applicant?\

Just asking because if somehow I get passed Phase I, I'd want to start planning for the new job ASAP (moving, making flight arrangements, finding new place to live etc). And with nothing in my background I'd be pretty certain it shouldn't be too much of a problem to pass Phase II..But I'd hate for some obscure thing I didn't know about to foul it up...Like they couldn't get a hold of a rec. or could get a hold of an old job or something?

Not sure if we are still doing it but it used to be all Phase 2 names/previous companies got posted at the bases. If you had problems somewhere (personality and/or professionally) before it may come to the their attention via an email from a current JB guy. It is also a chance to throw a recc at a guy you may not have known was applying. Again, not sure if this is still occurring as the dept that does the hiring has had a lot of turnover lately.

 

[BeachBummer]

This practice is no longer practiced... we'd hate to discriminate in our hiring practice. Besides line pilots don't know anything about other pilots, FA's should hire all pilots. uke:

As far as your phase 2 goes, put EVERYTHING down. If you got a ticket when you were 10yrs old on the farm. Put it down. I don't know how but they know.

 

[Flyby1206]

Besides line pilots don't know anything about other pilots, FA's should hire all pilots. uke:

Does this mean we get to pick which FAs get hired?? We could make that work!

 

[BeachBummer]

HA! If I were the king of the kingdom... the kingdom could be different.

Good idea though.

 

[BentOver]

Does anyone know if the "internel rec. form" glitch is fixed? Are current JB pilots now able to submit the electronic recommendation form?

And if so where can I see who has done one thus far? I thought it would be under the "profile overview" but other than my downloadable stuff, there's nothing else yet>..

 

[Limeyflyer]

Hey Bent, the glitch is fixed, just submitted one an hour ago. I don't think you are able to see what recs have been done for you. The form we get say why or why not the applicant would fit at JB, so they probably don't want you to see if your rec is not reccing. Good Luck with everything.

 

[BentOver]

Hey Bent, the glitch is fixed, just submitted one an hour ago. I don't think you are able to see what recs have been done for you. The form we get say why or why not the applicant would fit at JB, so they probably don't want you to see if your rec is not reccing. Good Luck with everything.

Thanks for the well wishes..And info on the recs..

My old app from 2010 was still in the sytem and somehow I was able to see those at one point. Nothing of substance, just the persons name, position, fleet etc.. No writings from the employee.. That was why I was curious... Probably best if I just get in touch with my internals again.Just hate to keep bugging them by being pushy.

Do you know if one was attempted over the weekend would it still make it in, or does the internal have to redo it now. (basically would the system keep the rec. and auto submit it when everything was fixed?) Not sure if you would know but maybe you do..

Thanks

 

[Limeyflyer]

I wasn't able to submit when the system was down and I redid it this evening.

 

[BentOver]

I wasn't able to submit when the system was down and I redid it this evening.

Cool, 'll make sure everyone knows just in case they thought they did one over the weekend....

 

[xjhawk]

Everyone....man how many recs do you have? I was happy with 1 or 2. I need to get better at this networking thing! I am getting ready for recurrent today at Mesaba and I am planning on going early to go have a talk with planning to see just how bad it will get. I have hopes of leaving mesaba before I need to head down to MEM for Indoc-systems-SIM-and PC all for a plane I am already flying-just to be displaced from MSP.

 

[flyboyike]

Everyone....man how many recs do you have?

Currently two, possibly three eventually.

 

[wt219200]

Can anyone confirm for me whether or not their recs are listed on the profile overview. I haven't seen it on mine.

 

[xjhawk]

I wonder when they will start calling for interviews?

 

[BentOver]

Currently two, possibly three eventually.

Internals:
4 so far, a fifth has said they'll do one.. waiting to hear back from 4 others. ( just e-mailed 2 today, but pretty sure they do one too...)Looking at hopefully 7-8 total maybe 9 if they all check their e-mail...

I'd be more excited but I've applied in the past with no less than 3 and still have never heard from JB. Have met the mins. since probably '06... clean record etc.. Just patiently waiting my turn at the shot.


3 LOR's from non-JB employees.. 1 retired Delta, 1 retired USAir, and another ex-regional guy..All I have flown with multiple times.

Covering as many bases as possible.

Good luck everyone.. If ya hear anything back let us know.

 

[Flyguy1226]

You can have 50 internal recs, it doesn't matter! JB hires people, not logbooks, friends of employees, etc.

 

[xjhawk]

I do not even remember what JetBlue's mins are-I am assuming since I meet SWA mins, I am okay with JetBlue. Of the guys that got hired, do most have PIC? The couple guys I know were once Captains or had part 91 Corp PIC and then a lot of part 121 SIC. I am assuming you could have 50 recommendations and not much flight experience and they would hold off on you when there is more qualified applicants???? Then again one never knows..... good luck to you all

 

[skyguy40]

For those that know, what weight does the internal recommendations have? Is it just to get the call or does it have more weight in the disision process after interview. I have no internal rec's but got a call just before the window opened. I am in limbo for now. I have my three rec's, just not internal rec's. Just trying to figure out if I need to find my ex Trans Startes or ex Pinnacle guy's I have flown with for more help.
Thanks guy's
David

 

[Flyguy1226]

I know a couple of guys that got hired without internal recs and flight times between 2-4k Total and No TPIC. Again, JB is a company that doesn't hire based on logbooks, internal recs, etc.

Good luck!

 

[Whataboutbob]

Just curious if anyone knows what sort of protections would be in place in case of a buyout or merger? I know all this doesn't really matter until they offer you a spot in a class but lets say in 1-2 years from know American pulls the trigger or Delta buys JB. And all they really want is the turf at JFK/BOS and the future Airbus orders but for whatever reason they don't want the pilots. Could that happen or would there be some sort of deal to integrate the JB pilots or at least staple? Another question, supposedly with the 5year contract you sign they aren't supposed to furlough you in that 5yr window. So if things get really tough do they furlough out of seniority (furlough the 5 year guy thats contract it up)?

The river boat gambler in me sees a lot of potential opportunity at JB and it looks like a great place to work. At the same time in the short term there might be a little more stability at this particular regional.

I was just trying to find an answer to the first paragraph, as for the rest I know life is full of tough choices and first of all you have to get hired, and number two you have to have the stomach to take the chance.

 

[n757st]

I know a couple of guys that got hired without internal recs and flight times between 2-4k Total and No TPIC. Again, JB is a company that doesn't hire based on logbooks, internal recs, etc.

Good luck!

That is the exception, not the norm. I have had friends apply for years without a call, within 5 days of throwing a rec in their file they got the interview. They will tell you to recommend people you explicitly trust to be a good fit for a reason. Letters of rec absolutely matter!

 

[BentOver]

In my halfway semi long time in this industry (pre-9/11 anyways).. I have never not seen it be as a "who you know" industry...

Of course people always get hired without knowing someone. But it is statistically proven that those with connections get interviews at a faster pace. Aviation or not....especially in this day and age. But I agree getting the actual job is about the person not the recs..

Case in point: Have a friend that spent maybe 3 years total at a regional, upgraded quick (luck of the draw) and went to CO at the age of maybe 26 or 27.....He did have a friend who's dad was a check airmen at CO, and actually flew the 73 sim beforehand just so his buddies dad could recommend him without any doubts..

I have no doubt if you have contacts it does help atleast a little bit.

 

[MD80PILOT]

Just curious if anyone knows what sort of protections would be in place in case of a buyout or merger? I know all this doesn't really matter until they offer you a spot in a class but lets say in 1-2 years from know American pulls the trigger or Delta buys JB. And all they really want is the turf at JFK/BOS and the future Airbus orders but for whatever reason they don't want the pilots. Could that happen or would there be some sort of deal to integrate the JB pilots or at least staple? Another question, supposedly with the 5year contract you sign they aren't supposed to furlough you in that 5yr window. So if things get really tough do they furlough out of seniority (furlough the 5 year guy thats contract it up)?

The river boat gambler in me sees a lot of potential opportunity at JB and it looks like a great place to work. At the same time in the short term there might be a little more stability at this particular regional.

I was just trying to find an answer to the first paragraph, as for the rest I know life is full of tough choices and first of all you have to get hired, and number two you have to have the stomach to take the chance.

Well, as of right now we have more than 1100 pilots who doesn't care about their future career and decided to vote NO to have ALPA represent the pilot group and get some work conditions written down on a legal CBA.
Instead we have management who can change work rules at any given time, remove or change ALL our benefits at any given time, and a management who are the only one who will have a say in YOUR pilot future if we are bought or merged with anyone else. We have a PVC group "negotiating" with the company without ANY LEGAL RIGHT TO DO SO.

What else do you need to know.....

 

[dhc8fo]

Well, as of right now we have more than 1100 pilots who doesn't care about their future career and decided to vote NO to have ALPA represent the pilot group and get some work conditions written down on a legal CBA.
Instead we have management who can change work rules at any given time, remove or change ALL our benefits at any given time, and a management who are the only one who will have a say in YOUR pilot future if we are bought or merged with anyone else. We have a PVC group "negotiating" with the company without ANY LEGAL RIGHT TO DO SO.

What else do you need to know.....

Didn't you know that when you went to work there?

 

[jamiestrat]

That is the exception, not the norm. I have had friends apply for years without a call, within 5 days of throwing a rec in their file they got the interview. They will tell you to recommend people you explicitly trust to be a good fit for a reason. Letters of rec absolutely matter!

FWIW, Just had dinner with the B6 system chief pilot and he said they don't even look at the internal recommendations until after the application has been screened and have been considered competitive. By competitive, he said some interview classes have an average of 4500 hours, some have an average of 10000 hours, but recency of experience is a big factor. Throw in your app and see what happens as I think a lot of it is luck of the draw.

 

[BeachBummer]

Didn't you know that when you went to work there?

So if you buy a used car with flat tires, do you get new ones or try and fix it?

 

[dhc8fo]

So if you buy a used car with flat tires, do you get new ones or try and fix it?

So why would you buy a used car with flat tires?

You're saying that you went to JB to make some change??? Did you tell them that in the interview? I bet not. Well, what if no one else wants what you're selling? That's all I'm saying.

 

[BentOver]

On a different note..

Anyone heard about how many apps they have received?

Mine went in afternoon of the 1st...

Would they typically start with app #1 and work their way down from there, eliminating un-qualified apps. And possibly granting interviews to more qualified maybe? (by qualified I mean 7000+, mostly turbine, mostly glass, little low on the TPIC but still around a 1000TPIC....)

Basically, as a qualified guy with many recs. and an early time stamp on my app... Are the chances increased with getting it in early among a thousand or more apps?