Its official. Skywest to fly for American...

[Russ]

GL
You sure prognosticate a lot on issues outside of your company that to my knowledge you haven't anything other than public knowledge of. Yet, to something as obvious as the Delta bankruptcy of a few years ago you swore up and down to me I was wrong when I suggested it might happen (based on public knowledge). What gives?

 

[www.]

You should stick to ONE username on here.

Hopefully you got em all before they started charging, more "cost competitive" that way.

Keep grasping junior. Your way out of your league.

 

[wms]

I'm just curious how long it will take for crew scheduling and maintenance to mess this flying agreement up. Clearly, whomever did the legwork with this at AA didn't do a bit of research. Isn't the flying we B@stardized in IAD enough of an example of just how inept and uncapable we truly are?

There will be no spares and min reserves at dfw. Our cancellations will be covered by Eagle,which with our history may result in a gain of flying for them in the end. (-;

 

[General Lee]

GL
You sure prognosticate a lot on issues outside of your company that to my knowledge you haven't anything other than public knowledge of. Yet, to something as obvious as the Delta bankruptcy of a few years ago you swore up and down to me I was wrong when I suggested it might happen (based on public knowledge). What gives?

Russ,

Your knowledge of pending BK could have made you some cash on Wall St. Btw, did you have any idea 9-11 was going to happen? If so, you should have said something to somebody!


It was easy to prognosticate the fall of the 50 seater, just watching gas prices. This last DL contract allows more 76 seaters, but really hammers the 50 seaters and total RJ numbers at DCI, with 149 more leaving than coming in, which economically is good for the company and makes passengers happier. Throw in 88 717s to take back many of the regional routes that were given to DCI after 9-11 by other management and the BK process, and it is even more sweet. Other majors will see that 50 seaters just can't compete when high oil exists, and that may be troubling to regionals who mainly have 50 seaters in their inventory. Low cost regionals (like Gojets and Republic) will then fight hard to capture any additional flying available, again adding to the cost savings for the Legacies.

You see, after 9-11 the regionals really had the legacies over the barrel with their better balance sheets and leverage for feed during the BKs. As the legacies have gotten stronger, a lot due to new fees like bag fees, the regionals have gotten weaker and needed their own consolidation to try to keep contracts. This will continue, and new rest/fatigue rules, hiring minimums, and legacy hiring will probably put a lot of pressure on those large regionals. Even legacies are returning to cities like Roanoke, Wilmington, Fayatteville, Chatanooga, Ashville, which passengers are enjoying very much.

As far as knowing things at your company, I've got friends at a lot of companies, and follow the news and boards. But guessing 50 seaters would go away enmasse was not that hard to guess. Even Mike Boyd guessed that. They don't work well with high gas, period.

So Russ, are you and Jon Rivoli going to apply to the Majors when huge hiring commences? Or, are you two lifers?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[nimtz]

You're not a lifer.....okay... Anyway, at least you agree that there won't be the same amount as before (my whole point, thanks). And high gas will still park those E135s eventually, or UAL scope probably will. Good luck to you!


Bye Bye---General Lee

UAL scope? Yeah that's gonna kick him out of that 37 seater. Too bad he will slide right into a 76+ seat RJ. Nice vote Admiral!

 

[General Lee]

UAL scope? Yeah that's gonna kick him out of that 37 seater. Too bad he will slide right into a 76+ seat RJ. Nice vote Admiral!

Hi genius. We added 70 76 seaters after dumping more than 220 50 seaters in this agreement, with a net loss of 149 50 seaters. That means a heck of a lot FEWER RJs. Then, to top it off, we will add atleast 88 717s to fly the current routes of 76 seaters, while they are bumped down to fly current 70 and 50 seat routes, trying to squeeze a profit on those routes. You guys at UAL have a similar offer, except no 717 carrot. DAL pilots are recapturing routes. You guys? We'll see...... Good luck with that....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[nimtz]

Hi genius. We added 70 76 seaters after dumping more than 220 50 seaters in this agreement, with a net loss of 149 50 seaters. That means a heck of a lot FEWER RJs. Then, to top it off, we will add atleast 88 717s to fly the current routes of 76 seaters, while they are bumped down to fly current 70 and 50 seat routes, trying to squeeze a profit on those routes. You guys at UAL have a similar offer, except no 717 carrot. DAL pilots are recapturing routes. You guys? We'll see...... Good luck with that....


Bye Bye---General Lee

So you call the 717 a 'carrot'!?! Well that proves even you know you sold out. Again thanks for falling hook line and sinker for Grand Admiral Moak's vision you hypocrite.

 

[flyboyike]

So Russ, are you and Jon Rivoli going to apply to the Majors when huge hiring commences?

What huge hiring? The one that yip's been forecasting since the Roosevelt administration?

 

[Golden Falcon]

American Eagle Express Commuter

 

[Golden Falcon]

Hi genius. We added 70 76 seaters after dumping more than 220 50 seaters in this agreement, with a net loss of 149 50 seaters. That means a heck of a lot FEWER RJs. Then, to top it off, we will add atleast 88 717s to fly the current routes of 76 seaters, while they are bumped down to fly current 70 and 50 seat routes, trying to squeeze a profit on those routes. You guys at UAL have a similar offer, except no 717 carrot. DAL pilots are recapturing routes. You guys? We'll see...... Good luck with that....


Bye Bye---General Lee

United not getting recycled ValuJet rejects?? Hmmm sure their hearts are broken over that!!

 

[Freebrd]

JennyLeigh doesn't realize there isn't going to be "huge hiring" at the majors because of sellouts like Jenny giving up more large RJs while 50s are just deployed elsewhere. And this clown is 51 and still a FO? Whatya afeared of Jenny, Capt slot ain't that scary. PUTZ!

 

[Clutch]

You're such a moron

 

[Freebrd]

and your're such a putz, cheering for PNCL to go away, loser, and stickin up for Jenny!

 

[General Lee]

United not getting recycled ValuJet rejects?? Hmmm sure their hearts are broken over that!!

Still having fun in Bahrain? Your airline is a big #4 in the ME and shrinking. Have a great one!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

What huge hiring? The one that yip's been forecasting since the Roosevelt administration?

Age 65 didn't affect it, right? Eventually it will happen, and you most likely won't be a part of it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So you call the 717 a 'carrot'!?! Well that proves even you know you sold out. Again thanks for falling hook line and sinker for Grand Admiral Moak's vision you hypocrite.

This from a guy still on 9-11 wages, with no chance of recapturing any lost flying. Without a 100 seater, you got NOTHING, along with your discontent with management, and you haven't even done your SLI yet. Wow, you got a LONG way to go. Oh well. And you will sell out for a lot less.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Nevets]

The reimbursement is for a set rate per city pair; If we burn more, we eat it. If we burn less, we pocket the difference. That is how, perversely, the more expensive fuel gets, the more we make, especially four years ago (rates have been adjusted). Through our fuel conservation program we were consistently burning less than the contract fuel quantities and were making huge bank. This caused RA at Delta to have an aneurysm as Delta was losing money at the time and he has been at war with DCI ever since.

Is that how the DAL CPAs work? Thats a whole lot different from the CAL and even the UAL CPAs work. They just simply reimburse all the fuel and have a monetary incentive for year over year savings.

 

[flyboyike]

Age 65 didn't affect it, right? Eventually it will happen, and you most likely won't be a part of it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Hard to be a part of something that's not real.

 

[General Lee]

Hard to be a part of something that's not real.

Yeah, nobody will ever retire. That must be what will keep you at your regional, forever.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

Yeah, nobody will ever retire. That must be what will keep you at your regional, forever.


Bye Bye---General Lee

They sure don't seem to be in any great hurry to retire. Besides, who says the retirees will be replaced one-for-one?

Oh, and I'm about to start at my second regional.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Is that how the DAL CPAs work? Thats a whole lot different from the CAL and even the UAL CPAs work. They just simply reimburse all the fuel and have a monetary incentive for year over year savings.

I don't know how it works over at SkyEast, but that is how the contracts were out west.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Yeah, nobody will ever retire. That must be what will keep you at your regional, forever.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Have you noticed that Delta has orders on the books to replace about half of your domestic narrow body fleet? The same is true at UniCal and American.

MD-90's and 717 are orphan airframes that are already 20 years old and are at best an interim stopgap until more modern, economical planes are available.

So, to answer you question, no. I will not be applying to join the very bottom of a seniority list that will continue to shrink. I have no desire to be that most pathetic of individual, the grey haired FO who commutes to reserve, waiting for the day when he may upgrade (back to the bottom of the captains list) and finally start cashing in on all of that dues paying he has been doing for the past 15-20 years, all the while retirement is rapidly approaching. You can have that, it's not for me. I'll continue enjoying the benefits of seniority and a six figure income as long as it lasts. One and two day trips, north and south, one time zone and no snow or CB's. In the mean time I will continue to diversify my income so that I no longer need to live out of a suitcase part time.

Age 65 slips to 67, 70; a little grey at the temples Genny? A little silver on top?

 

[General Lee]

Have you noticed that Delta has orders on the books to replace about half of your domestic narrow body fleet? The same is true at UniCal and American.

MD-90's and 717 are orphan airframes that are already 20 years old and are at best an interim stopgap until more modern, economical planes are available.

So, to answer you question, no. I will not be applying to join the very bottom of a seniority list that will continue to shrink. I have no desire to be that most pathetic of individual, the grey haired FO who commutes to reserve, waiting for the day when he may upgrade (back to the bottom of the captains list) and finally start cashing in on all of that dues paying he has been doing for the past 15-20 years, all the while retirement is rapidly approaching. You can have that, it's not for me. I'll continue enjoying the benefits of seniority and a six figure income as long as it lasts. One and two day trips, north and south, one time zone and no snow or CB's. In the mean time I will continue to diversify my income so that I no longer need to live out of a suitcase part time.

Age 65 slips to 67, 70; a little grey at the temples Genny? A little silver on top?

Jonny, jonny, jonny. YOUR side of the industry is shrinking, big time. DL is cutting 147 50 seaters from DCI, and you only have a 4 year contract with AA for the others. When that is over, they too will go to the boneyard.

You say the MD90s and 717s are temporary. Sure they are, all planes are. The 717s have leases until 2025 that will be renewed until then via Boeing. The MD90s are the newer version of the MD88, and even those have at least 10 more years to go. Eventually those too will be replaced by 320neos or 737max planes. Another great thing about the DL contract is that it set up a ratio that was a lot more favorable towards mainline in the domestic arena. You can continue to try to pawn off your 50 seaters to other airlines, but sooner than later they will go away. We don't even know what the UAL contract will be, but I bet more 50s will be parked than 76 seaters being added. Throw in rest/fatigue rules getting rid of your CDO's, and new hiring standards with higher min hours required, and your industry will have significant challenges. Then all your buddies will go to the legacies to fill in for every old guy leaving. You will be the number 6 Capt at your airline, out of 7 left on your one CR7. The only guys staying until 70 will be regional guys with no retirement savings. Enjoy it, and your hotdog stand in Provo.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Lee, why do you enjoy bashing the regional pilots so much? Were you abused as a child?

 

[79%N1]

He has to feel superior to SOMEONE!!!

 

[enuffalready]

He has to feel superior to SOMEONE!!!

he will never ever stop. just place him on ignore list... he's the typical narcissist that thinks calling him a narcissist is a compliment.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Jonny, jonny, jonny. YOUR side of the industry is shrinking, big time. DL is cutting 147 50 seaters from DCI, and you only have a 4 year contract with AA for the others. When that is over, they too will go to the boneyard.

You say the MD90s and 717s are temporary. Sure they are, all planes are. The 717s have leases until 2025 that will be renewed until then via Boeing. The MD90s are the newer version of the MD88, and even those have at least 10 more years to go. Eventually those too will be replaced by 320neos or 737max planes. Another great thing about the DL contract is that it set up a ratio that was a lot more favorable towards mainline in the domestic arena. You can continue to try to pawn off your 50 seaters to other airlines, but sooner than later they will go away. We don't even know what the UAL contract will be, but I bet more 50s will be parked than 76 seaters being added. Throw in rest/fatigue rules getting rid of your CDO's, and new hiring standards with higher min hours required, and your industry will have significant challenges. Then all your buddies will go to the legacies to fill in for every old guy leaving. You will be the number 6 Capt at your airline, out of 7 left on your one CR7. The only guys staying until 70 will be regional guys with no retirement savings. Enjoy it, and your hotdog stand in Provo.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I feel all smiley on the inside when I read this. It is the voice of someone trying to convince themselves that they are right.

No one knows what the airline industry will look like in five years, ten years, fifteen years let alone twenty. The one thing that is certain is that the future will not look like the past.

My prediction for the next decade; there will be another economic down turn (as if we ever recovered from the last one), there will be bankruptcies, there will be unforeseen events and probably another war.

If Obama is reelected, energy costs will continue to increase dramatically ( have to get those tundra dwellers to turn off the heat and those desert dwellers to turn off their A/C, lest the rest of the world be, 'Not OK with that'.

If Romney is elected energy prices will probably be at record lows by the end of the decade as we abandon wind and solar in favor of domestic drilling in Utah, Wyoming, Montana, ANWAR and in coastal waters, develop our vast natural gas reserves, pursue coal liquefaction. We need to stop contaminating our fuel with ethanol which is a loser every way you look at it.

Whoever is elected there will be corruption and scandals.

As for the airlines? One more legacy will probably be gone and several regionals will disappear until there are only two or three. The regionals will fly anything less than 125 seats. Genny Lee will still be an FO.

My well place hot dog stand in Provo will earn me about twice what a senior Southwest Captain makes, before I begin to franchise.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Once again,
Genital Lee proves that the mentally impaired can be a pilot. Wages prove how this story will end, which has higher pay, regional or mainline? Which scale do you think management would prefer to pay? The question is how will they get the pay down to regional levels? Genny Lee and her sisters are so worried about their paychecks that they cannot see the writing on the walls at corporate. Management hates you more than a bad case of herpes, (which most managers have) except they cannot get rid of herpes, but can get rid of pilots, it just takes a little effort and time. The beauty of this is I am on Jenny's ignore list, so she will have to dust off OYS's screen name and rant from there.....

 

[General Lee]

I feel all smiley on the inside when I read this. It is the voice of someone trying to convince themselves that they are right.

No one knows what the airline industry will look like in five years, ten years, fifteen years let alone twenty. The one thing that is certain is that the future will not look like the past.

My prediction for the next decade; there will be another economic down turn (as if we ever recovered from the last one), there will be bankruptcies, there will be unforeseen events and probably another war.

If Obama is reelected, energy costs will continue to increase dramatically ( have to get those tundra dwellers to turn off the heat and those desert dwellers to turn off their A/C, lest the rest of the world be, 'Not OK with that'.

If Romney is elected energy prices will probably be at record lows by the end of the decade as we abandon wind and solar in favor of domestic drilling in Utah, Wyoming, Montana, ANWAR and in coastal waters, develop our vast natural gas reserves, pursue coal liquefaction. We need to stop contaminating our fuel with ethanol which is a loser every way you look at it.

Whoever is elected there will be corruption and scandals.

As for the airlines? One more legacy will probably be gone and several regionals will disappear until there are only two or three. The regionals will fly anything less than 125 seats. Genny Lee will still be an FO.

My well place hot dog stand in Provo will earn me about twice what a senior Southwest Captain makes, before I begin to franchise.

Jonny,

I can hold Capt now, but on planes I don't particularly want to fly. That's called variety. But, with retirements and expansion that is known, the 737 in ATL should be available soon, heck DL is getting an additional 100 739ERs starting next July at 3 per month, along with 3 717s from AirTran each month. Enjoy the hotdog stand in Provo, and maybe, just maybe, you can open up a second in Logan within 7 years.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Jonny,

I can hold Capt now, but on planes I don't particularly want to fly. That's called variety. But, with retirements and expansion that is known, the 737 in ATL should be available soon, heck DL is getting an additional 100 739ERs starting next July at 3 per month, along with 3 717s from AirTran each month. Enjoy the hotdog stand in Provo, and maybe, just maybe, you can open up a second in Logan within 7 years.


Bye Bye---General Lee

There goes General again with his broken record BS.

As I've said many times, 100% of the senior Delta pilots I work with would not waste their time arguing on the internet with a bunch of regional pilots. As many others have pointed out, 100% of what comes out of Lee's keyboard is public knowledge he has been repeating since 1998. In fact, he's been on this forum bragging since 1998 that he's a senior Delta FO, so if he was telling the truth, he could hold any narrow body CA seat he wanted by now, with nearly 20 years of seniority. What, he wants us to believe he's holding out for 6ER or 777 CA for his initial upgrade? LMAO!

Lee is not, and never has been a Delta pilot. You all need to stop feeding the troll.

Glad I'm also on his ignore list. He will now post a quote that shows I'm on his ignore list, but of course, we all know he'll still click the view post button, because he can't help his loser phony self.