Its official. Skywest to fly for American...

[maddog2020]

Plus it's a pay cut to come back to the fiddy. I hope they stay on the 700. I been commuting since we closed DFW. Hoping to be based back here but will 11 years hold it?

Im wondering if any captains will bid back to fo to hold it

 

[Clutch]

Intentional for ironic effect

That's irony... I believe you were going for international, smarty pants

 

[ASAFOE120]

Im wondering if any captains will bid back to fo to hold it

With as long as some of the really jr ATL captains have been sitting reserve and commuting all these years, I could see that happening.

 

[XPOO]

That's irony... I believe you were going for international, smarty pants

Mission accomplished??

 

[PBRstreetgang]

. What are they going to call Eagle now then?

Defunct?

 

[pilotnbr1]

All this will be is a reduction for ATL crew members. The FAQ email states no hiring with this announcement.

 

[Whydoitry]

The name ExpressJet was originally Continental Express Airlines. The change came when Continental did exactly what American is doing now. ExpressJet was already painted on the engines, I would expect some similar rebranding at AA.

 

[centralpilot]

Defunct?

I really hope not. There are good people there.

 

[dojetdriver]

Plus it's a pay cut to come back to the fiddy. I hope they stay on the 700. I been commuting since we closed DFW. Hoping to be based back here but will 11 years hold it?

This will be funny to watch. Think we'll see an about face from some of the L-ASA lifers that scream that we need to be "cost competitive" and that we can't ask for industry leading pay rates?

"We need the HIGHEST pay rate possible on the -200 so I can bid down and go BACK to DFW without taking a pay cut!!!!!!!!!!"

As mentioned elsewhere, obviously XJT is "cost competitive" as it is now if they're able to secure NEW flying.

 

[1.3XVso]

I had a eagle jumpseater on the jumpseat from DFW-DEN a few month ago. He was a 6 year guy, fresh new capt and already talking smack about his new hire FO first time on the jet. Anyways during the whole flight he was talking about AMR term sheet and referring as " WE" voted, "WE this", "WE that". I kept trying to follow his conversation until i finally asked him " who are we? did eagle merged with amr already?" he said " oh no american voted it". I would like to see him again and ask him if hes ok with his amr dream.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I really hope not. There are good people there.

This industry is about milking labor for every penny they can. There are good folks in every corner, that can expect the cob at one point or another.
If you want to know how the industry thinks watch this:
http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/aviation_law/crandall_interview.asp
Crandall was one of the better ones, the CEOs left for the most part flunked out of SpecialEd class. The 3 one hour vids will give you a Grad level schooling on how the enemy thinks(most importantly). Pay particular attention to minute :18 in the first video.....

 

[Captainzero1]

I thought fifty seaters were dead?

 

[centralpilot]

I thought fifty seaters were dead?

This is only a 4 year reprieve.

 

[Erlanger]

I thought fifty seaters were dead?

50 seaters aren't dead and won't be for many years. It's just they're not the cash cow they once were when you compare them to other planes because of fuel prices but the 50 seaters do make money. Isn't it only Delta that's getting rid of them? I don't see anyone else doing away with them.

 

[Erlanger]

WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 12
2012
A Message from President and CEO Dan Garton
Dear Eagle and Executive Colleagues:
*
Today, American Airlines announced the addition of two new regional carriers to its network – SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet Airlines. These companies were awarded contracts as the successful bidders in the RFP process American announced and initiated earlier in the year. American has awarded flying for a total of 23 50-seat regional jets to be operated out of Los Angeles and Dallas/Fort Worth. This development is consistent with American’s plan to diversify its regional feed as part of its business plan to emerge from restructuring as a much stronger airline. Additionally, for the first time, this flying will be done by non-affiliate regional partners under the stronger American Eagle brand and livery – not the AmericanConnection brand and livery.
*
For us, this is again, more change. And change is never easy.
*
As a result of the awarding of this bid, we will no longer provide American with 44-seat regional feed out of Los Angeles (LAX). SkyWest will now do this regional flying for American at LAX, beginning Nov. 15. This will unfortunately mean the closure of the LAX pilot and flight attendant domiciles, as well as a reduction in the number of M&E, stores and management positions at LAX. However, American has asked us to continue to provide regional feed with the CRJ-700 out of LAX, with Eagle’s Chicago crews. We will also continue to provide ground handling services for all of American’s regional operations at LAX, including ground handling of SkyWest. We do not anticipate any furloughs as a result of the downsizing at LAX, as there are vacancies throughout the rest of the system for employees in all workgroups.
*
As part of the bid, ExpressJet was also awarded a small portion of 50-seat flying out of Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW). This flying will begin with the Feb. 14, 2013 schedule change. As is the case at LAX, American has asked us to continue providing ground handling services for all of its regional operations at DFW.* We don’t know how other aspects of the ExpressJet flying will affect our operations, but some impact to our employees and our schedule should be expected. However, we do not anticipate any furloughs, and will offer positions throughout our system to any employee who may be impacted.
*
And, as previously announced, American has negotiated the early return of the ATRs. This fleet is old, and there are very high maintenance and leasing costs associated with these aircraft. This action will result in the closure of the Miami (MIA) Executive pilot and flight attendant domiciles on Nov. 15. However, all Executive pilots and flight attendants will be able to use their seniority to bid for positions at American Eagle – including positions at MIA. We do not foresee any furloughs as a result of this displacement. We do anticipate that American Eagle will be providing more regional jet flying out of MIA to replace some of the discontinued ATR flying. Additionally, all MIA and Key West Executive employees will become American Eagle employees as of Jan. 1, 2013.
*
So, why is all of this change happening at once? Judge Lane’s decision to allow American to reject its pilots’ contract means that American will be relieved from certain scope provisions that only allowed American Eagle to provide regional feed. American sent out an RFP earlier in the year in anticipation of the return of the ATRs, but couldn’t act on that RFP until now. Additionally, over the last few months American has indicated that it is going through a rebranding exercise. As a result of this, American will soon discontinue the use of the AmericanConnection brand and will use the American Eagle brand for all of its regional flying. Although we all share a pride with the American Eagle name, the name and the brand belong to AMR, and it is not surprising that American would want to have a consistent brand for all of its regional flying – just as all other mainlines have one brand for their regional partners. So, for now, we will continue to be American Eagle Airlines, but over the coming months we will be looking into creating a new name and identity for our company and our people. I’ll let you know the progress of this rebranding effort as it continues to develop.
*
I do not want to diminish the impact these changes may have on us, but with a successful restructuring, we can have a bright future. We will still continue to be the main provider of regional feed for American in Dallas/Fort Worth, Miami, Chicago and New York. Later today, we will begin the process of recalling all of our furloughed pilots, and we anticipate hiring pilots soon. We currently are hiring flight attendants, mechanics and hundreds of ground employees needed to staff the new ground handling contracts.
*
Now, more than ever, it is critically important that we complete our restructuring.* This includes achieving consensual, ratified agreements with our labor unions in order to be in a position to participate in any large regional jet flying that American will be seeking in the future. Likewise, it is more important than ever that we maintain our performance and prove every day that we are a worthy partner for American and other mainline carriers.
*
This is an extraordinary company with extraordinary people. There is no doubt in my mind that even though these changes are challenging, we will be in a better position to win more business from American in the future.
*
Thank you for your continued hard work.* Together we will redefine our company and continue to build a successful future by incorporating the values and culture of our proud past.
*
*
*
Regards,
*

 

[General Lee]

50 seaters aren't dead and won't be for many years. It's just they're not the cash cow they once were when you compare them to other planes because of fuel prices but the 50 seaters do make money. Isn't it only Delta that's getting rid of them? I don't see anyone else doing away with them.

USAir's Doug Parker says he wants to dump 50 seaters, obviously AA Eagle is getting rid of some in LA and DFW (replaced by SKW), and UAL hasn't finished their contract yet. Indy Air didn't do well with mostly 50 seaters (a few 319s too). High oil and 50 seaters don't do well together. And this must have been a smoking deal for AA.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

JennyLeigh, more useless already known thoughts from you the sellout! Brilliant!

 

[dojetdriver]

USAir's Doug Parker says he wants to dump 50 seaters, obviously AA Eagle is getting rid of some in LA and DFW (replaced by SKW), and UAL hasn't finished their contract yet. Indy Air didn't do well with mostly 50 seaters (a few 319s too). High oil and 50 seaters don't do well together. And this must have been a smoking deal for AA.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Nope, the 50 seater will ALWAYS have it's place. Just not in the batsh1t crazy-post 9/11 BK era scope giveaway numbers. Remember the mantra pre-9/11? "The turbo prop IS dead". Funny, they're STILL around. And not just the Q's, 1900's, EMB-120's, -8's, etc.

Something has to be able to serve the city pairs of (insert legacy hub here) to (insert podunk town here) with the 6-8-10 daily round trips the marketing people deem necessary and that the passenger wants as far as grequency. OR give the supplemental service between the hubs and medium sized cities that the legacy ISN'T going to fly strictly a narrow body to 6-8-10 times a day.

And comparing Indy Air or even ExpressJet Branded operations to a regional jet provider's agreement with a legacy is apples to bowling balls. The legacy pays for the gas.

 

[General Lee]

Nope, the 50 seater will ALWAYS have it's place. Just not in the batsh1t crazy-post 9/11 BK era scope giveaway numbers. Remember the mantra pre-9/11? "The turbo prop IS dead". Funny, they're STILL around. And not just the Q's, 1900's, EMB-120's, -8's, etc.

Something has to be able to serve the city pairs of (insert legacy hub here) to (insert podunk town here) with the 6-8-10 daily round trips the marketing people deem necessary and that the passenger wants as far as grequency. OR give the supplemental service between the hubs and medium sized cities that the legacy ISN'T going to fly strictly a narrow body to 6-8-10 times a day.

And comparing Indy Air or even ExpressJet Branded operations to a regional jet provider's agreement with a legacy is apples to bowling balls. The legacy pays for the gas.

Ummmm, no. The 50 seaters, just like the 37 and 44 seat ERJs, are becoming more and more extinct. There may be a handful around eventually, but probably cut by 75% within the next 5 years. We haven't even seen UAL's eventual contract, which probably has reductions also built in.

The Indy Air analogy was to show that going it alone with mostly 50 seaters just won't work. They can't compete against LCC 737s or the pricing power of a mainline MD88. The legacy knows what the break even point is for the 50 seater airline, and just prices the tickets a little lower, ensuring a small profit for the mainline, and a loss for the 50 seater. How long did Indy Air last again?

And I don't think the legacies pay for Regional gas anymore? They may have had that sweet deal after 9-11, but contract carriers these days probably pay for it themselves and have a set fee for departure. That is probably why GOJets has been getting more work lately.

That's kinda the wave of the future. If you don't like it, throw in apps at the legacies. Huge retirements eventually will cause hiring and upward progression in the next few years.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dojetdriver]

Ummmm, no. The 50 seaters, just like the 37 and 44 seat ERJs, are becoming more and more extinct. There may be a handful around eventually, but probably cut by 75% within the next 5 years. We haven't even seen UAL's eventual contract, which probably has reductions also built in.

That's funny, because UNICAL needed to the parked 37 seaters to come out of the desert to provide additional lift not too long ago.

The Indy Air analogy was to show that going it alone with mostly 50 seaters just won't work. They can't compete against LCC 737s or the pricing power of a mainline MD88. The legacy knows what the break even point is for the 50 seater airline, and just prices the tickets a little lower, ensuring a small profit for the mainline, and a loss for the 50 seater. How long did Indy Air last again?

And I don't think the legacies pay for Regional gas anymore? They may have had that sweet deal after 9-11, but contract carriers these days probably pay for it themselves and have a set fee for departure. That is probably why GOJets has been getting more work lately.

You think wrong, and your knowledge of the current agreements is lacking.