It's Official: Flexjet

[imacdog]

No more domicile/satellites at NetJets. Your base airport is your base, so even if there is an airplane waiting for you at another airport 5 miles away, you are still going to show up at your base. Duty time starts as soon as you park your car at your base.

 

[notapilot]

That sure would be nice at Flex. We are not credited any duty time or expense to travel to our satellites on day one.

 

[pers-headwall]

Doylehargraves says,

"Fact: Attrition is high regardless of how management wants to justify it."

This sounds like an opinion. Management has given their facts. Where are your numbers (facts) to dispute their facts. This sounds more like B.S.


"It's Official: the union drive will gain an enormous amount of momentum with this great news from our D.O."


Do you have an official announcement to back this up? Once again, it's opinion, and kind of lame at that. Nobody on this forum seems to deal with any type of "facts" to back up their B.S.

 

[Ludicris]

Doylehargraves says,

"Fact: Attrition is high regardless of how management wants to justify it."

This sounds like an opinion. Management has given their facts. Where are your numbers (facts) to dispute their facts. This sounds more like B.S.


"It's Official: the union drive will gain an enormous amount of momentum with this great news from our D.O."


Do you have an official announcement to back this up? Once again, it's opinion, and kind of lame at that. Nobody on this forum seems to deal with any type of "facts" to back up their B.S.

Hi Steve

 

[CA1900]

How is that even possible...they cover everything except parking?

Did you read my earlier post on this?

Short version: negotiating is give-and-take. In this case, we "gave" parking charges for the small minority of our pilots who are hit with them, in exchange we got a bigger raise for everybody.

 

[fischman]

Will someone from Netjets explain first day shows in relation to your hub and satelite system. Also please explain when you you start first day duty. This might help clear up the confusion.

Day before day 1 you will get a briefing for day 1 on your pager. That will include a show time.

Show at your crew base at briefed show time.

For example: I am crew based in STL. Today I have a 1600L show at Signature. That simple.

 

[Wankel7]

Did you read my earlier post on this?

Short version: negotiating is give-and-take. In this case, we "gave" parking charges for the small minority of our pilots who are hit with them, in exchange we got a bigger raise for everybody.

Sure did...thanks for the info!

 

[doh]

... Nobody on this forum seems to deal with any type of "facts" to back up their B.S.

That's why it is such vicious fun! :beer:

 

[doylehargraves]

Doylehargraves says,

"Fact: Attrition is high regardless of how management wants to justify it."

This sounds like an opinion. Management has given their facts. Where are your numbers (facts) to dispute their facts. This sounds more like B.S.


"It's Official: the union drive will gain an enormous amount of momentum with this great news from our D.O."



Do you have an official announcement to back this up? Once again, it's opinion, and kind of lame at that. Nobody on this forum seems to deal with any type of "facts" to back up their B.S.

Sounds like BS huh? Yes, they admitted their numbers and you don't think that number is high?? If you don't think that number posted is high, you are high.

I thought it was funny how the ACP said ok here is the attrition number BUT, if you take out all the retirements, people that left on their own, one got fired, one left for personal reasons, and some left for other jobs, the number is really only X%. THAT IS WHAT ATTRITION IS. You don't get to pick and chose what to include and exclude to make the number what you want. Keep pouring that kool-aid and morons like pers-headwall will keep drinking it. This is exactly the double talk that is going to put a union on the front door.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Well, since the only anti-union post on the BB drew a whopping 12 responses from something like 8 posters I think our vote will be close at hand. It would take a miraculous announcement by management in January for it not to occur, and DG's recent comments leave me confident that won't be a problem.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

yeah agreed, not too many people came out and sucked up with a "I love this company, we dont need a union." Nowhere near as many that have during the last big push years ago. I think the silence means there are a lot of union supporters out there. I really hope that we are getting close to a vote.

 

[Pugnacious G]

Good Luck Flexjet Brothers!

BTW Inigo,

Love your screen name and avatar! :laugh:

 

[Photoflight]

I haven't been with flex too long but I've talked to exactly 1 guy that is against the union. I think itll be an interesting year in 08

 

[bailey3083]

Yes the union vote is very close but this time,unlike in the past, there is such a threat that the drive will succeed that we have DG posting on BB. It is so close that management has their moles out there spreading lies about what will happen if the union is voted in. It is so bad that it is rumored that DG is going to tell everyone during the smoke and mirror meetings that if they vote union in the new compensation package is going to be pulled off the table.
So yes the vote is very close and even tighter on unionizing Flex.

 

[dime line]

Yes the union vote is very close but this time,unlike in the past, there is such a threat that the drive will succeed that we have DG posting on BB. It is so close that management has their moles out there spreading lies about what will happen if the union is voted in. It is so bad that it is rumored that DG is going to tell everyone during the smoke and mirror meetings that if they

vote union in the new compensation package is going to be pulled off the table.

So yes the vote is very close and even tighter on unionizing Flex.

Funnny that exact same thing was said at FLOPS. And all the anti-union wacks said the big bad union took away our pay raise. It is designed to show the union is the bad guy.

Next they will say well there is a union vote happening and they "cant interfere with the vote" so the pay raise will have to be shelved till the vote. Then after the vote passes, they will say, status que, and they can't give you the raise.....

We FLOPS pilots can write the next chapter in the FLEX anti-union play book...

 

[doylehargraves]

I could care less if they pull the raise from under us. We'll just get it back tenfold in better benefits, better work rules, etc...

 

[Nolife]

It is so bad that it is rumored that DG is going to tell everyone during the smoke and mirror meetings that if they vote union in the new compensation package is going to be pulled off the table.

I don't understand this tactic. The above attitude by management only serves to validate the fact that a union is needed.

If they play nice and placate the pilot group there would be no interest in unions but when you threaten your work-force and don't respect to their wants and needs you get what you deserve. Any serious labor force should have some say as to the direction of their careers.

 

[ProFracPilot]

We FLOPS pilots can write the next chapter in the FLEX anti-union play book...

A play book that is truly being written by Ford & Harrison. I'd bet my ever-shrinking paycheck Flex is now spending big $$$ with this firm. And just think - all they have to do is set their word processors to "find and replace" Flight Options with Flexjet - viola! F&H doesn't even have to do any real work. They're just taking Flex's $$$ and regurgitating the mantra they've been using against us for the past 2 years.

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

Hey what's the attrition rate at FLOPS? You'd think it's like 50% with all the stuff going on.

 

[netjetwife]

I don't understand this tactic. They use it because they have nothing else and F&H tells them it will work. Sometimes it does IF the workforce is spineless enough and lacks self-respect. It's my opinion that most pilots don't fall into those categories. The above attitude by management only serves to validate the fact that a union is needed. Exactly and the majority of pilots recognize that.

If they play nice and placate the pilot group there would be no interest in unions but when you threaten your work-force and don't respect to their wants and needs you get what you deserve. Absolutely and no one voting for the right to organize should feel bad about doing so. Flex management had ample opportunity to treat the pilots with fairness and respect. They chose to ignore the repercussions of their actions. I think they're underestimating the pilotgroup's determination to stand up to them.
Any serious labor force should have some say as to the direction of their careers.

I totally agree! Your career is your biggest investment and should be protected with a fair contract. Frac pilots also have a budget to meet and can't afford to subsidize the wealthy pax or suffer because of inept managers who want to balance the books on the back of the pilotgroup rather than do their own jobs with the same degree of professionalism that is demanded from the underpaid/overworked pilots.

Dig in your heels and fight back...for yourselves....your families...and your peers in the industry.
Netjetwife