It's Official: Flexjet

[doylehargraves]

gsxr,

The fact is, alot of crewmembers visit this site; therefore, to get the word out on here is alot easier than the BB for obvious reasons. If you think we can get things resolved via BB, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Go Fly]

I would like too see data to back up your "fact."

Maybe a clarification in definition is required?

Folks upgrading today have been on property for about 2 1/2 years.

Folks hired TODAY are looking at 5 to 7 years for upgrade.

That is a FACT.

Did you read my entire post? We said the same exact thing. I was just trying to let folks that might be interested in coming to NJA what the FACTS are as far as upgrades.

The fact is: Upgrades are currently running about 2 1/2 years. (This is a fact because it can be proven by empirical data. Just look at the seniority list.)

Your OPINION is: A person hired today will be facing 5 to 7 years for upgrade (This is an opinion because it can not be supported by empirical data. And I don't think you are wrong although 7 may be a little high)

Now since the only thing we seem to disagree with is the difference between fact and opinion, lets leave these nice folks alone and let them have their post back.

 

[jetwash]

we are officially 3rd in pay based on daily rates, with Options pulling up the rear

Just a correction, Options is not pulling up the rear.

We are getting it in the rear

 

[hammer2]

Just a correction, Options is not pulling up the rear.

We are getting it in the rear

GSXR600 told Doyle that was fun.

 

[ce750drvr]

Just a correction, Options is not pulling up the rear.

We are getting it in the rear

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry man, I spit tea outta my nose!! But in all seriousness, I hope you guys get what you deserve at FLOPS. Hang in there.

 

[FastJP4]

For outsiders looking into some of these companies - information posted on this and other boards can be very useful. If folks are posting complete BS, then you take it with a grain of salt. Fact is, Flex is at the rear of the group - only ahead of FLOPS, which isn't saying much. It's good to hear there are some Flex guys willing to fight for something better - as they should. It's also not abnormal to see the company mimes crying about posts.

Hopefully you Flex guys can stand together for your betterment as well as the industry as a whole. Just figured from the APC pay section: NJ 1st yr gross can be about 75K (69k plus 6K health ins for a family) and Flex 1st year gross is about 34K (40k minus 6k health ins for a family).

Difference for 1st at NJ vs. 1st at Flex is over 40,000. That's pretty pathetic know matter how much kool-aid you drink.

 

[FraxJockey]

Where did you get 6k for insurance (so you're telling me that we're paying $500 a mo.)?

 

[Wiggums]

Netjets year one pay.

69k x 1.10 (typical overtime/holiday pay) + 3600 medical + 7500 (401k) = $87k

Plus you get 100 bases.

Flexjet year one pay, maybe about 43k with overtime - 3600 (medical) + 1200 (401k) = 46k

 

[Ultra Grump]

Netjets year one pay.

69k x 1.10 (typical overtime/holiday pay) + 3600 medical + 7500 (401k) = $87k

Plus you get 100 bases.

Flexjet year one pay, maybe about 43k with overtime - 3600 (medical) + 1200 (401k) = 46k

Not to say that you guys aren't getting the shaft, but if you're going to add in the medical ins savings to show "true" NJA salary, you can't subtract it out of the Flex pay. Flex "true" pay would include that money as well. Apples to apples.

 

[doylehargraves]

The company tells us that our benefits are worth way more than that. Using the company numbers makes flexjet salaries look even worse.

 

[Wankel7]

For a single dude your paying about 40 a month...

 

[iLR60Mac]

sounds like they are "Delivering upon the Promise" again. How quick they forget. They will always eat their own for what ever reason.

 

[doh]

Anybody see the Flex section on airline pilot central? The new bases that are opening on Jan. 1? Okay, I admit I'm trying to stir the pot here. I just thought it was interesting, since we have not gotten any word from mgmt. about these changes.

 

[GSXR600]

Anybody see the Flex section on airline pilot central? The new bases that are opening on Jan. 1? Okay, I admit I'm trying to stir the pot here. I just thought it was interesting, since we have not gotten any word from mgmt. about these changes.

mmmmmmm...................

 

[Wiggums]

Not to say that you guys aren't getting the shaft, but if you're going to add in the medical ins savings to show "true" NJA salary, you can't subtract it out of the Flex pay. Flex "true" pay would include that money as well. Apples to apples.

You are correct. Had to think about that one for a minute.

Did you know that apparently NetJets guys get to park next to terminal at DFW. No waiting 20 minutes for a 20 minute van ride to then pay 4.83 per pay for uncovered parking.

 

[CL300Pilot]

On the BB they are saying it is bogus and they have contacted airline pilot central to have it removed. Although I am happy with DFW, whoever the arsehole is that sent that to them should be drawn and quartered since this is such a hot topic of pilot displeasure.

Anybody see the Flex section on airline pilot central? The new bases that are opening on Jan. 1? Okay, I admit I'm trying to stir the pot here. I just thought it was interesting, since we have not gotten any word from mgmt. about these changes.

 

[doylehargraves]

They are supposed to verify it. Don't blame the person that sent it, blame the idiot that didnt verify it.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Did you know that apparently NetJets guys get to park next to terminal at DFW. No waiting 20 minutes for a 20 minute van ride to then pay 4.83 per pay for uncovered parking.

Not anymore. Company-paid parking at domiciles ended Dec 7 with the IBB.

 

[Wankel7]

Not anymore. Company-paid parking at domiciles ended Dec 7 with the IBB.

How is that even possible...they cover everything except parking?

 

[notapilot]

Will someone from Netjets explain first day shows in relation to your hub and satelite system. Also please explain when you you start first day duty. This might help clear up the confusion.