It's Official: Flexjet

[steelersrule74]

regarding upgrades at NJA. It's extremely difficult to predict the length. so many factors and the fractional business is constantly changing. I have a 'guess' for what it's worth. I've been at NJA for 8 years now so I think I have as good a handle on our operation as the next guy.

With the passage of the TA, NJA has bought labor peace for at least 4 years. If they 'buy' the extension then we have 7 years of peace, predictability and management/union cooperation. Under those conditions and the current market I think it's reasonable we hire 300-400 pilots a year. We crew our jets at 5.5/aircraft. I've heard from senior management we expect to net gain approx 50 aircraft in 2008.

when you add all that up, it seems to me there will be good movement within our fleets. my 'guess' is 3 years or less to upgrade.

of course it could end up being 6...........lol

 

[finnjl]

wrong thread

 

[Nolife]

I read the post on BB and it was very ambiguous. About the only definitive statement was that there is a good chance of ALT, ORD, and IAD as new bases. DS's email was about the same and the rumors run the gamut from a 20k pay raise to a 5% insult with everything in between. Should be interesting to see what is actual said in Jan.

 

[GSXR600]

There will be no new bases opened and the raise announcement next month will be a joke at best.

It's Official: the union drive will gain an enormous amount of momentum with this great news from our D.O.

Dude you are like a virus that infects everyone in the group with your negatives about this company!!!

If u think this is such bad place to work then GET THAT HELL OUT!!!
Almost every post I read about you is all negative.

Yes I want things to change here and YES my card was sent but with your post just discourage people to fight to fight for what we deserve.

 

[dime line]

Dude you are like a virus that infects everyone in the group with your negatives about this company!!!

If u think this is such bad place to work then GET THAT HELL OUT!!!
Almost every post I read about you is all negative.

Yes I want things to change here and YES my card was sent but with your post just discourage people to fight to fight for what we deserve.

So what is he really saying that is not true? Great that you sent in your card. Its a long road in front of you. Everything doylehargraves said is negative, fair enough, but negative and reality are probably the same. At FLOPS were knee deep in this fight and let me tell you about "Negative" attitudes. There is nothing positive about this company.
So your "Get the Hell out" statement, you need to rethink that. Doylehar... is a union supporter and everyperson that quits, means a new pilot, Fresh blood, that is just happy to be flying a jet. I remember hearing a new hire a few years ago at Simuflight saying "it will be a cold day in hell before he supports a union." This is what you will be up against with new hires.

Get ready for the the company to start playing all of the games, and you will end up being quite negative during the process.

 

[doylehargraves]

Dude you are like a virus that infects everyone in the group with your negatives about this company!!!

If u think this is such bad place to work then GET THAT HELL OUT!!!
Almost every post I read about you is all negative.

Yes I want things to change here and YES my card was sent but with your post just discourage people to fight to fight for what we deserve.

Negative comments huh? Funny you would be tired of my "negative comments" but, are ok with all the minimal changes that come our way. The comments are negative because, there is nothing positive to say about what changes are coming. If there is, educate me, please, I'm begging you; otherwise, I'll give you some "positive" things to think about so you can sleep on your optimistic pillow tonight:

Fact: Rolling rest
Fact: Highest number of days worked per year
Fact: Highest insurance cost
Fact: No holiday pay
Fact: 2nd lowest paid
Fact: Attrition is high regardless of how management wants to justify it

Did I ever say that I thought this was a bad place to work? If so, let me know. I think it's worth fighting for. I don't like to run from problems, I like to fight and solve them. Maybe if I were more of a coward like you, I would just quit. I don't think quitting solves anything. Sorry for the personal attack but, the only way to get the word out is to focus on the negatives. Talking about how everything is positive at work wouldn't justify changing anything. All I'm trying to say is that the negatives are far greater than the positives. Is it all THAT bad? No. Can it be much better? YES.

 

[Dooker]

Hey guys! Great job in November! We were on time 98.7%, and we only had to farm out 3.5% to charter, and customer satisfaction was through the ceiling. We rock! And we couldn't have done it without you guys! Yeah!

Take that, you union jerks! We don't need you and your negativity at Waterview. So there!

--Duane Giorgetti
Assistant Chief Cheerleader/Kool-Aid Dispenser

 

[doylehargraves]

....And soon to be Chief Pilot I'm sure, can't wait.

 

[hammer2]

I'll give you a positive! Damn! I forgot what I was going to say.

 

[BombJet45]

Take that, you union jerks! We don't need you and your negativity at Waterview. So there!

--Duane Giorgetti
Assistant Chief Cheerleader/Kool-Aid Dispenser

I'd be careful putting someone else's name like that, especially during a union push. Knew of a past friend who did it on a board just like this and lawyers got envolved. $$$

 

[Dooker]

Hey guys! Great job in November! We were on time 98.7%, and we only had to farm out 3.5% to charter, and customer satisfaction was through the ceiling. We rock! And we couldn't have done it without you guys! Yeah!

Take that, you union jerks! We don't need you and your negativity at Waterview. So there!

--Duane Giorgetti
Assistant Chief Cheerleader/Kool-Aid Dispenser

The above post was a work of pure satire. I would hope that use of the fictional job title "Assistant Chief Cheerleader/Kool-Aid Dispenser" would make this apparent to anyone--including pilots.

I think the world of Duane Giorgetti. I read his many, many, many, many corporate emails with rapt fascination.

Thanks,

Dooker

 

[GSXR600]

Negative comments huh? Funny you would be tired of my "negative comments" but, are ok with all the minimal changes that come our way. The comments are negative because, there is nothing positive to say about what changes are coming. If there is, educate me, please, I'm begging you; otherwise, I'll give you some "positive" things to think about so you can sleep on your optimistic pillow tonight:

Fact: Rolling rest
Fact: Highest number of days worked per year
Fact: Highest insurance cost
Fact: No holiday pay
Fact: 2nd lowest paid
Fact: Attrition is high regardless of how management wants to justify it

Did I ever say that I thought this was a bad place to work? If so, let me know. I think it's worth fighting for. I don't like to run from problems, I like to fight and solve them. Maybe if I were more of a coward like you, I would just quit. I don't think quitting solves anything. Sorry for the personal attack but, the only way to get the word out is to focus on the negatives. Talking about how everything is positive at work wouldn't justify changing anything. All I'm trying to say is that the negatives are far greater than the positives. Is it all THAT bad? No. Can it be much better? YES.

Listen man!!! All I am trying to say is that our problems should be resolve within the company and not going a public forum like the way you do. All you create is more negativity around our side, that’s why we have a company chat room where u can address all your problems, thoughts directly to our own company employees!! ... Many of the things you say are probably right and yes I agree with a lot of them, but Flight Info is not the place to fix our problems. We have a great pilot group here and I think if all unite, a lot can be achieved. We need to get our point across with everyone that works here (our pilots) and NOT the outsiders. They may just feel pity for you, and I don’t know about you man! but I hate when people give me that look specially in this business, that pilots have their ego up u know where.
Give you an example: I was just on a trip and happened to run into a NJ pilot, nice guy and all but his attitude was so far up his a*&*^&*S that I just had to be nice and professional with the guy and just listen to him. His way to introduce himself was to say that he feels sorry about me for been at Flex Jet and that he, from the bottom of his heart, wishes that everything gets resolve in there and get a good contract. But what I should do is get my application into NJ, Our pay is better than anyone else now, and we own 70 something % of market share and we are just the best of the best….just go on one those websites like FI or APC or some others and you see what people had to say about us. I said to him I’ll look into it.
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Yes!! He is probably right about most of it, but he didn’t have to reinforce it like that in my head. This is all thanks to our people creating this image of us like that in public forums like this one.


Flame on brother!!!


Ohh!! BTW coward me?? That’s it!! .............. I am calling my Psychiatry

 

[fischman]

Caution: Thread hijack!!!

Right now the upgrade time at at NetJets is 2 1/2 years. And, yes, that is a fact. However, given the rate of hiring, attrition, etc ... pilots are predicting that the upgrade time will be four to five years for those hired now. It is very difficult to predict though. Ecspecially since some things may adjust with the new TA.

All that said, it has been a few months since the company has offered any upgrades. Rumor is they were waiting for the TA to pass so the could get everyone on the 39 month equipment lock. So let see some upgrades!

I would like too see data to back up your "fact."

Maybe a clarification in definition is required?

Folks upgrading today have been on property for about 2 1/2 years.

Folks hired TODAY are looking at 5 to 7 years for upgrade.

That is a FACT.

 

[learflyer]

Listen man!!! All I am trying to say is that our problems should be resolve within the company and not going a public forum like the way you do. All you create is more negativity around our side, that’s why we have a company chat room where u can address all your problems, thoughts directly to our own company employees!! ... Many of the things you say are probably right and yes I agree with a lot of them, but Flight Info is not the place to fix our problems. We have a great pilot group here and I think if all unite, a lot can be achieved. We need to get our point across with everyone that works here (our pilots) and NOT the outsiders. They may just feel pity for you, and I don’t know about you man! but I hate when people give me that look specially in this business, that pilots have their ego up u know where.
Give you an example: I was just on a trip and happened to run into a NJ pilot, nice guy and all but his attitude was so far up his a*&*^&*S that I just had to be nice and professional with the guy and just listen to him. His way to introduce himself was to say that he feels sorry about me for been at Flex Jet and that he, from the bottom of his heart, wishes that everything gets resolve in there and get a good contract. But what I should do is get my application into NJ, Our pay is better than anyone else now, and we own 70 something % of market share and we are just the best of the best….just go on one those websites like FI or APC or some others and you see what people had to say about us. I said to him I’ll look into it.
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Yes!! He is probably right about most of it, but he didn’t have to reinforce it like that in my head. This is all thanks to our people creating this image of us like that in public forums like this one.


Flame on brother!!!


Ohh!! BTW coward me?? That’s it!! .............. I am calling my Psychiatry

did the nja pilot also mention that he mended a sweater with his own back hair to keep a child warm that he saw pan handling on the street?

 

[DirtyBeech]

GSXR600,
There are good reasons why pilots don't post legitimate complaints on the BB. Figure it out man.

 

[CA1900]

did the nja pilot also mention that he mended a sweater with his own back hair to keep a child warm that he saw pan handling on the street?

:laugh:

Was it this guy before the big race?

 

[learflyer]

:laugh:

Was it this guy before the big race?

oh, to be him for a day!! :laugh:

 

[bailey3083]

Listen man!!! All I am trying to say is that our problems should be resolve within the company and not going a public forum like the way you do. All you create is more negativity around our side, that’s why we have a company chat room where u can address all your problems, thoughts directly to our own company employees!! ... Many of the things you say are probably right and yes I agree with a lot of them, but Flight Info is not the place to fix our problems. We have a great pilot group here and I think if all unite, a lot can be achieved. We need to get our point across with everyone that works here (our pilots) and NOT the outsiders. They may just feel pity for you, and I don’t know about you man! but I hate when people give me that look specially in this business, that pilots have their ego up u know where.
Give you an example: I was just on a trip and happened to run into a NJ pilot, nice guy and all but his attitude was so far up his a*&*^&*S that I just had to be nice and professional with the guy and just listen to him. His way to introduce himself was to say that he feels sorry about me for been at Flex Jet and that he, from the bottom of his heart, wishes that everything gets resolve in there and get a good contract. But what I should do is get my application into NJ, Our pay is better than anyone else now, and we own 70 something % of market share and we are just the best of the best….just go on one those websites like FI or APC or some others and you see what people had to say about us. I said to him I’ll look into it.
\
Yes!! He is probably right about most of it, but he didn’t have to reinforce it like that in my head. This is all thanks to our people creating this image of us like that in public forums like this one.


Flame on brother!!!


Ohh!! BTW coward me?? That’s it!! .............. I am calling my Psychiatry

The last I heard from Aviation Weekly NJ holds 43% of the market and we are in the 28% of the market. We are not the best paid in the industry with the new NJ contract we are now second maybe 3rd from the best.
I applaud Doyle for speaking his mind but as it was said complaining on BB only puts a big bulls eye on your forehead. I would suggest you join up on the 1108's web board for Flex's pilots and take the time to be educated properly.

 

[Club ORD FO]

we are officially 3rd in pay based on daily rates, with Options pulling up the rear

 

[fischman]

Listen man!!! All I am trying to say is that our problems should be resolve within the company and not going a public forum like the way you do. All you create is more negativity around our side, that’s why we have a company chat room where u can address all your problems, thoughts directly to our own company employees!! ... Many of the things you say are probably right and yes I agree with a lot of them, but Flight Info is not the place to fix our problems. We have a great pilot group here and I think if all unite, a lot can be achieved. We need to get our point across with everyone that works here (our pilots) and NOT the outsiders. They may just feel pity for you, and I don’t know about you man! but I hate when people give me that look specially in this business, that pilots have their ego up u know where.
Give you an example: I was just on a trip and happened to run into a NJ pilot, nice guy and all but his attitude was so far up his a*&*^&*S that I just had to be nice and professional with the guy and just listen to him. His way to introduce himself was to say that he feels sorry about me for been at Flex Jet and that he, from the bottom of his heart, wishes that everything gets resolve in there and get a good contract. But what I should do is get my application into NJ, Our pay is better than anyone else now, and we own 70 something % of market share and we are just the best of the best….just go on one those websites like FI or APC or some others and you see what people had to say about us. I said to him I’ll look into it.
\
Yes!! He is probably right about most of it, but he didn’t have to reinforce it like that in my head. This is all thanks to our people creating this image of us like that in public forums like this one.


Flame on brother!!!


Ohh!! BTW coward me?? That’s it!! .............. I am calling my Psychiatry

I'm not saying this NJ pilot was tactful, but there is a lot of emotion in that post. Sometimes the truth hurts. Good luck man.