It's Official: Flexjet

[doylehargraves]

There will be no new bases opened and the raise announcement next month will be a joke at best.

It's Official: the union drive will gain an enormous amount of momentum with this great news from our D.O.

 

[johnsonrod]

There will be no new bases opened and the raise announcement next month will be a joke at best.

It's Official: the union drive will gain an enormous amount of momentum with this great news from our D.O.

Good news: Netjets is hiring! Vote with your feet. Think about how much money you could have made while waiting for Flexjet to change...

 

[Art Vandalay]

I am just curious on this, but has ANYONE contacted DG or anyone else in management about our announcement that is supposed to happen in January? I am tempted to just call the man and ask, but want to know if that trail has already been blazed before I try.

By the way, my NJ application will be in this week along with EVERYONE else from my new hire class. Management, I pray you read this!!! Be prepared to sleep in the bed you make.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I agree, DG should have just handed out union cards and it would have saved a lot of time. A pay raise is nice, but it is FAR from the only thing that needs improvement. Many pilots will tell you that QOL is more important than pay. what good is money if you are dead thanks to the rolling rest, food poising, hooker infested hotels, sub-par medical benefits, and lack of decent bases to choose from?

I really like our company, our pilot group, our planes, and our product. Should I stay and make this my dream job thought the help of a union? or just bail out?

It sounds like we are not going to get the "total package," so I'm sure more people will be sending in their cards.

 

[Wankel7]

Maybe they are betting on the fact it will take folks for ever ever to get an interview over there

 

[doylehargraves]

I think the attitude that you should stay and vote this in is the right direction. Don't bail out, vote the union and lets get what we deserve guys!

http://www.ibt1108.org/flexjet/

 

[On Your Six]

I also think J-Rod makes a good point. You never know how long a negotiating process like this could take. A lot of people leaving could expedite the process but those departing people wouldn't benefit. I guess you need to consider whether staying and slugging it out for an indeterminate time is worth the money you COULD HAVE MADE had you started with Netjets at the beginning of that time frame. It's called opportunity cost.

If you think Flexjet's ultimate deal (post negotiation) would be better than Netjet's current offering, then maybe you should stay and slug it out. I think senior pilots have more of a reason to stay than newly-hired Flex pilots unless retro pay was introduced. The limited domicile issue alone is enough to consider Netjets - Flex is way too restrictive with only 5 domiciles. Let's hope the Flex managers get their heads out of their a$$es and get moving...

 

[japhy]

There will be no new bases opened and the raise announcement next month will be a joke at best.

It's Official: the union drive will gain an enormous amount of momentum with this great news from our D.O.

What is your source??? I have heard nor seen anything from the company on bases or pay. Are you just spreading misinformation to push your cause??

 

[RubberDuck]

read the BB!!!

Link to: Crew Advisory Board

 

[sflax]

I was wondering why people like to chase after things. I mean think about it, right now the upgrade at Netjets is about 4 years, so by the time someone gets on that just put in the resume might be another 6 months. So if you are an FO at another frac or regional, you will have been an FO and lower pay for lets say 5 to 6 years. But what is the upgrade time at your current gig. And if you were never a captian, any where before you will have probly been an FO for around 8 to 10 years. That is alot of SIC time.

 

[J3guy]

I was wondering why people like to chase after things. I mean think about it, right now the upgrade at Netjets is about 4 years, so by the time someone gets on that just put in the resume might be another 6 months. So if you are an FO at another frac or regional, you will have been an FO and lower pay for lets say 5 to 6 years. But what is the upgrade time at your current gig. And if you were never a captian, any where before you will have probly been an FO for around 8 to 10 years. That is alot of SIC time.

Alot of us don't really care about upgrade time. We are looking long term. The sad thing is, you could be a 4 yr ca at flex and still get a nice pay raise by going to netjets. Its great to see all of the cards being sent in over here lately. After reading the BB its obvious its just going to be more of the same for year to come. That being said, I think I've had enough. Can't wait to get home so I can get my resume together.

 

[japhy]

read the BB!!!

Link to: Crew Advisory Board

If the post you are talking about is the meeting the CAB had with DG and DS, there is nothing definative in that. It just talks about what they discussed. They didn't say one way or the other about bases, pay, reduction in schedule. Plus that meeting happened before Dec 7th. This is what really pushes me away from unions. Pro-union types that will say anything and use sensationalize headlines to spread misinformation around.

 

[JokerFuel]

While we dont have a clear understanding of what the company surprise will be, what we have heard leaves alot to be desired. Management is fishing. They will apply just enough enhancement to make 51% of the folks happy, and nothing more. The big question is are we gonna roll over and take this? I'm up for a good fight. Even if you are thinking about leaving or trying to leave, I simply ask that you still join in the movement and provide the support we need. Send in the cards, and try to muster as much support from your peers as you can.

 

[Wankel7]

Yeah, the upgrade time is something to consider for sure. If all things remain constant and the upgrade sticks at two years at Flex....you would make more in the short term at Flex. However, you would have to be on the road 28 days more a year to do that. 208 days a year with the 16 days on per period compared to the 7/7 at NJ. And then of course there is the PIC time which could be worth its own.

But after you upgrade at NJ all bets are off and the pay is significantly better and then you're still working 28 days less a year.

 

[DirtyBeech]

If the post you are talking about is the meeting the CAB had with DG and DS, there is nothing definative in that. It just talks about what they discussed. They didn't say one way or the other about bases, pay, reduction in schedule. Plus that meeting happened before Dec 7th. This is what really pushes me away from unions. Pro-union types that will say anything and use sensationalize headlines to spread misinformation around.

No, just read the abbreviated minutes of our all employee meeting as transcribed by a fellow cre...crew.. Hell, another pilot.

 

[RubberDuck]

If the post you are talking about is the meeting the CAB had with DG and DS, there is nothing definative in that. It just talks about what they discussed. They didn't say one way or the other about bases, pay, reduction in schedule. Plus that meeting happened before Dec 7th. This is what really pushes me away from unions. Pro-union types that will say anything and use sensationalize headlines to spread misinformation around.

Go stick your head back in the sand Cool Aid Drinker!!

And I mean that in a nice way.

 

[dime line]

This is what really pushes me away from unions

Ya know its funny to hear this, so if your pushed away from the union the only other direction is to be pushed in the companys direction, and.......how is that working out. There are only two sides to this game, not 3. So what kind of a person, will allow another person, so much power over that persons brain, and make said person change their mind. How weak is your thought process in the first place?

You talk about

Pro-union types that will say anything and use sensationalize headlines to spread misinformation around.

So over here at FLOPS we hear this everyday from management, so I ask you which side are you on? There is a hard defined line, your either with your peirs or with management. Nothing wrong with either side, both are in this business to make money. You are messed up in the brain to think otherwise.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

If the post you are talking about is the meeting the CAB had with DG and DS, there is nothing definative in that. I

Japhy...come on man. Nobody is spreading mis-information, we are just better informed than you. Go look again on the BB, there is a thread there about the meeting 2 days ago.

 

[bailey3083]

If the post you are talking about is the meeting the CAB had with DG and DS, there is nothing definative in that. It just talks about what they discussed. They didn't say one way or the other about bases, pay, reduction in schedule. Plus that meeting happened before Dec 7th. This is what really pushes me away from unions. Pro-union types that will say anything and use sensationalize headlines to spread misinformation around.

Japhy all though you are allowed to have your own opinion if you listen to the folks who have been here at Flex for any length of time you will hear the same tired story over and over. When it comes time to answer a competitors package Flex responds with minimal amount to keep a few people happy.
The Pro Union folks have yet to spread misinformation to me but more the benefits of a union. If you feel there is misinformation then join the IBT board and post your problems so they can be answered correctly by the Organizing Committee.
I have to say after reading A.H. response about the CAB meeting I am not sure if FlexJet will respond correctly once again.
Far as those junior guys who want to jump ship for NetJets I ask you to please reconsider as there alot of FlexJet pilots who want to fight for better conditions and making this a career not a job.

 

[Go Fly]

NetJets Upgrade time.

I was wondering why people like to chase after things. I mean think about it, right now the upgrade at Netjets is about 4 years, so by the time someone gets on that just put in the resume might be another 6 months. So if you are an FO at another frac or regional, you will have been an FO and lower pay for lets say 5 to 6 years. But what is the upgrade time at your current gig. And if you were never a captian, any where before you will have probly been an FO for around 8 to 10 years. That is alot of SIC time.

Right now the upgrade time at at NetJets is 2 1/2 years. And, yes, that is a fact. However, given the rate of hiring, attrition, etc ... pilots are predicting that the upgrade time will be four to five years for those hired now. It is very difficult to predict though. Ecspecially since some things may adjust with the new TA.

All that said, it has been a few months since the company has offered any upgrades. Rumor is they were waiting for the TA to pass so the could get everyone on the 39 month equipment lock. So let see some upgrades!