It's Official: Flexjet

[Dooker]

Hey guys! Great job in November! We were on time 98.7%, and we only had to farm out 3.5% to charter, and customer satisfaction was through the ceiling. We rock! And we couldn't have done it without you guys! Yeah!

Take that, you union jerks! We don't need you and your negativity at Waterview. So there!

--Duane Giorgetti
Assistant Chief Cheerleader/Kool-Aid Dispenser

The above post was a work of pure satire. I would hope that use of the fictional job title "Assistant Chief Cheerleader/Kool-Aid Dispenser" would make this apparent to anyone--including pilots.

I think the world of Duane Giorgetti. I read his many, many, many, many corporate emails with rapt fascination.

Thanks,

Dooker

 

[GSXR600]

Negative comments huh? Funny you would be tired of my "negative comments" but, are ok with all the minimal changes that come our way. The comments are negative because, there is nothing positive to say about what changes are coming. If there is, educate me, please, I'm begging you; otherwise, I'll give you some "positive" things to think about so you can sleep on your optimistic pillow tonight:

Fact: Rolling rest
Fact: Highest number of days worked per year
Fact: Highest insurance cost
Fact: No holiday pay
Fact: 2nd lowest paid
Fact: Attrition is high regardless of how management wants to justify it

Did I ever say that I thought this was a bad place to work? If so, let me know. I think it's worth fighting for. I don't like to run from problems, I like to fight and solve them. Maybe if I were more of a coward like you, I would just quit. I don't think quitting solves anything. Sorry for the personal attack but, the only way to get the word out is to focus on the negatives. Talking about how everything is positive at work wouldn't justify changing anything. All I'm trying to say is that the negatives are far greater than the positives. Is it all THAT bad? No. Can it be much better? YES.

Listen man!!! All I am trying to say is that our problems should be resolve within the company and not going a public forum like the way you do. All you create is more negativity around our side, that’s why we have a company chat room where u can address all your problems, thoughts directly to our own company employees!! ... Many of the things you say are probably right and yes I agree with a lot of them, but Flight Info is not the place to fix our problems. We have a great pilot group here and I think if all unite, a lot can be achieved. We need to get our point across with everyone that works here (our pilots) and NOT the outsiders. They may just feel pity for you, and I don’t know about you man! but I hate when people give me that look specially in this business, that pilots have their ego up u know where.
Give you an example: I was just on a trip and happened to run into a NJ pilot, nice guy and all but his attitude was so far up his a*&*^&*S that I just had to be nice and professional with the guy and just listen to him. His way to introduce himself was to say that he feels sorry about me for been at Flex Jet and that he, from the bottom of his heart, wishes that everything gets resolve in there and get a good contract. But what I should do is get my application into NJ, Our pay is better than anyone else now, and we own 70 something % of market share and we are just the best of the best….just go on one those websites like FI or APC or some others and you see what people had to say about us. I said to him I’ll look into it.
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Yes!! He is probably right about most of it, but he didn’t have to reinforce it like that in my head. This is all thanks to our people creating this image of us like that in public forums like this one.


Flame on brother!!!


Ohh!! BTW coward me?? That’s it!! .............. I am calling my Psychiatry

 

[fischman]

Caution: Thread hijack!!!

Right now the upgrade time at at NetJets is 2 1/2 years. And, yes, that is a fact. However, given the rate of hiring, attrition, etc ... pilots are predicting that the upgrade time will be four to five years for those hired now. It is very difficult to predict though. Ecspecially since some things may adjust with the new TA.

All that said, it has been a few months since the company has offered any upgrades. Rumor is they were waiting for the TA to pass so the could get everyone on the 39 month equipment lock. So let see some upgrades!

I would like too see data to back up your "fact."

Maybe a clarification in definition is required?

Folks upgrading today have been on property for about 2 1/2 years.

Folks hired TODAY are looking at 5 to 7 years for upgrade.

That is a FACT.

 

[learflyer]

Listen man!!! All I am trying to say is that our problems should be resolve within the company and not going a public forum like the way you do. All you create is more negativity around our side, that’s why we have a company chat room where u can address all your problems, thoughts directly to our own company employees!! ... Many of the things you say are probably right and yes I agree with a lot of them, but Flight Info is not the place to fix our problems. We have a great pilot group here and I think if all unite, a lot can be achieved. We need to get our point across with everyone that works here (our pilots) and NOT the outsiders. They may just feel pity for you, and I don’t know about you man! but I hate when people give me that look specially in this business, that pilots have their ego up u know where.
Give you an example: I was just on a trip and happened to run into a NJ pilot, nice guy and all but his attitude was so far up his a*&*^&*S that I just had to be nice and professional with the guy and just listen to him. His way to introduce himself was to say that he feels sorry about me for been at Flex Jet and that he, from the bottom of his heart, wishes that everything gets resolve in there and get a good contract. But what I should do is get my application into NJ, Our pay is better than anyone else now, and we own 70 something % of market share and we are just the best of the best….just go on one those websites like FI or APC or some others and you see what people had to say about us. I said to him I’ll look into it.
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Yes!! He is probably right about most of it, but he didn’t have to reinforce it like that in my head. This is all thanks to our people creating this image of us like that in public forums like this one.


Flame on brother!!!


Ohh!! BTW coward me?? That’s it!! .............. I am calling my Psychiatry

did the nja pilot also mention that he mended a sweater with his own back hair to keep a child warm that he saw pan handling on the street?

 

[DirtyBeech]

GSXR600,
There are good reasons why pilots don't post legitimate complaints on the BB. Figure it out man.

 

[CA1900]

did the nja pilot also mention that he mended a sweater with his own back hair to keep a child warm that he saw pan handling on the street?

:laugh:

Was it this guy before the big race?

 

[learflyer]

:laugh:

Was it this guy before the big race?

oh, to be him for a day!! :laugh:

 

[bailey3083]

Listen man!!! All I am trying to say is that our problems should be resolve within the company and not going a public forum like the way you do. All you create is more negativity around our side, that’s why we have a company chat room where u can address all your problems, thoughts directly to our own company employees!! ... Many of the things you say are probably right and yes I agree with a lot of them, but Flight Info is not the place to fix our problems. We have a great pilot group here and I think if all unite, a lot can be achieved. We need to get our point across with everyone that works here (our pilots) and NOT the outsiders. They may just feel pity for you, and I don’t know about you man! but I hate when people give me that look specially in this business, that pilots have their ego up u know where.
Give you an example: I was just on a trip and happened to run into a NJ pilot, nice guy and all but his attitude was so far up his a*&*^&*S that I just had to be nice and professional with the guy and just listen to him. His way to introduce himself was to say that he feels sorry about me for been at Flex Jet and that he, from the bottom of his heart, wishes that everything gets resolve in there and get a good contract. But what I should do is get my application into NJ, Our pay is better than anyone else now, and we own 70 something % of market share and we are just the best of the best….just go on one those websites like FI or APC or some others and you see what people had to say about us. I said to him I’ll look into it.
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Yes!! He is probably right about most of it, but he didn’t have to reinforce it like that in my head. This is all thanks to our people creating this image of us like that in public forums like this one.


Flame on brother!!!


Ohh!! BTW coward me?? That’s it!! .............. I am calling my Psychiatry

The last I heard from Aviation Weekly NJ holds 43% of the market and we are in the 28% of the market. We are not the best paid in the industry with the new NJ contract we are now second maybe 3rd from the best.
I applaud Doyle for speaking his mind but as it was said complaining on BB only puts a big bulls eye on your forehead. I would suggest you join up on the 1108's web board for Flex's pilots and take the time to be educated properly.

 

[Club ORD FO]

we are officially 3rd in pay based on daily rates, with Options pulling up the rear

 

[fischman]

Listen man!!! All I am trying to say is that our problems should be resolve within the company and not going a public forum like the way you do. All you create is more negativity around our side, that’s why we have a company chat room where u can address all your problems, thoughts directly to our own company employees!! ... Many of the things you say are probably right and yes I agree with a lot of them, but Flight Info is not the place to fix our problems. We have a great pilot group here and I think if all unite, a lot can be achieved. We need to get our point across with everyone that works here (our pilots) and NOT the outsiders. They may just feel pity for you, and I don’t know about you man! but I hate when people give me that look specially in this business, that pilots have their ego up u know where.
Give you an example: I was just on a trip and happened to run into a NJ pilot, nice guy and all but his attitude was so far up his a*&*^&*S that I just had to be nice and professional with the guy and just listen to him. His way to introduce himself was to say that he feels sorry about me for been at Flex Jet and that he, from the bottom of his heart, wishes that everything gets resolve in there and get a good contract. But what I should do is get my application into NJ, Our pay is better than anyone else now, and we own 70 something % of market share and we are just the best of the best….just go on one those websites like FI or APC or some others and you see what people had to say about us. I said to him I’ll look into it.
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Yes!! He is probably right about most of it, but he didn’t have to reinforce it like that in my head. This is all thanks to our people creating this image of us like that in public forums like this one.


Flame on brother!!!


Ohh!! BTW coward me?? That’s it!! .............. I am calling my Psychiatry

I'm not saying this NJ pilot was tactful, but there is a lot of emotion in that post. Sometimes the truth hurts. Good luck man.

 

[doylehargraves]

gsxr,

The fact is, alot of crewmembers visit this site; therefore, to get the word out on here is alot easier than the BB for obvious reasons. If you think we can get things resolved via BB, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Go Fly]

I would like too see data to back up your "fact."

Maybe a clarification in definition is required?

Folks upgrading today have been on property for about 2 1/2 years.

Folks hired TODAY are looking at 5 to 7 years for upgrade.

That is a FACT.

Did you read my entire post? We said the same exact thing. I was just trying to let folks that might be interested in coming to NJA what the FACTS are as far as upgrades.

The fact is: Upgrades are currently running about 2 1/2 years. (This is a fact because it can be proven by empirical data. Just look at the seniority list.)

Your OPINION is: A person hired today will be facing 5 to 7 years for upgrade (This is an opinion because it can not be supported by empirical data. And I don't think you are wrong although 7 may be a little high)

Now since the only thing we seem to disagree with is the difference between fact and opinion, lets leave these nice folks alone and let them have their post back.

 

[jetwash]

we are officially 3rd in pay based on daily rates, with Options pulling up the rear

Just a correction, Options is not pulling up the rear.

We are getting it in the rear

 

[hammer2]

Just a correction, Options is not pulling up the rear.

We are getting it in the rear

GSXR600 told Doyle that was fun.

 

[ce750drvr]

Just a correction, Options is not pulling up the rear.

We are getting it in the rear

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry man, I spit tea outta my nose!! But in all seriousness, I hope you guys get what you deserve at FLOPS. Hang in there.

 

[FastJP4]

For outsiders looking into some of these companies - information posted on this and other boards can be very useful. If folks are posting complete BS, then you take it with a grain of salt. Fact is, Flex is at the rear of the group - only ahead of FLOPS, which isn't saying much. It's good to hear there are some Flex guys willing to fight for something better - as they should. It's also not abnormal to see the company mimes crying about posts.

Hopefully you Flex guys can stand together for your betterment as well as the industry as a whole. Just figured from the APC pay section: NJ 1st yr gross can be about 75K (69k plus 6K health ins for a family) and Flex 1st year gross is about 34K (40k minus 6k health ins for a family).

Difference for 1st at NJ vs. 1st at Flex is over 40,000. That's pretty pathetic know matter how much kool-aid you drink.

 

[FraxJockey]

Where did you get 6k for insurance (so you're telling me that we're paying $500 a mo.)?

 

[Wiggums]

Netjets year one pay.

69k x 1.10 (typical overtime/holiday pay) + 3600 medical + 7500 (401k) = $87k

Plus you get 100 bases.

Flexjet year one pay, maybe about 43k with overtime - 3600 (medical) + 1200 (401k) = 46k

 

[Ultra Grump]

Netjets year one pay.

69k x 1.10 (typical overtime/holiday pay) + 3600 medical + 7500 (401k) = $87k

Plus you get 100 bases.

Flexjet year one pay, maybe about 43k with overtime - 3600 (medical) + 1200 (401k) = 46k

Not to say that you guys aren't getting the shaft, but if you're going to add in the medical ins savings to show "true" NJA salary, you can't subtract it out of the Flex pay. Flex "true" pay would include that money as well. Apples to apples.

 

[doylehargraves]

The company tells us that our benefits are worth way more than that. Using the company numbers makes flexjet salaries look even worse.

 

[Wankel7]

For a single dude your paying about 40 a month...

 

[iLR60Mac]

sounds like they are "Delivering upon the Promise" again. How quick they forget. They will always eat their own for what ever reason.

 

[doh]

Anybody see the Flex section on airline pilot central? The new bases that are opening on Jan. 1? Okay, I admit I'm trying to stir the pot here. I just thought it was interesting, since we have not gotten any word from mgmt. about these changes.

 

[GSXR600]

Anybody see the Flex section on airline pilot central? The new bases that are opening on Jan. 1? Okay, I admit I'm trying to stir the pot here. I just thought it was interesting, since we have not gotten any word from mgmt. about these changes.

mmmmmmm...................

 

[Wiggums]

Not to say that you guys aren't getting the shaft, but if you're going to add in the medical ins savings to show "true" NJA salary, you can't subtract it out of the Flex pay. Flex "true" pay would include that money as well. Apples to apples.

You are correct. Had to think about that one for a minute.

Did you know that apparently NetJets guys get to park next to terminal at DFW. No waiting 20 minutes for a 20 minute van ride to then pay 4.83 per pay for uncovered parking.

 

[CL300Pilot]

On the BB they are saying it is bogus and they have contacted airline pilot central to have it removed. Although I am happy with DFW, whoever the arsehole is that sent that to them should be drawn and quartered since this is such a hot topic of pilot displeasure.

Anybody see the Flex section on airline pilot central? The new bases that are opening on Jan. 1? Okay, I admit I'm trying to stir the pot here. I just thought it was interesting, since we have not gotten any word from mgmt. about these changes.

 

[doylehargraves]

They are supposed to verify it. Don't blame the person that sent it, blame the idiot that didnt verify it.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Did you know that apparently NetJets guys get to park next to terminal at DFW. No waiting 20 minutes for a 20 minute van ride to then pay 4.83 per pay for uncovered parking.

Not anymore. Company-paid parking at domiciles ended Dec 7 with the IBB.

 

[Wankel7]

Not anymore. Company-paid parking at domiciles ended Dec 7 with the IBB.

How is that even possible...they cover everything except parking?

 

[notapilot]

Will someone from Netjets explain first day shows in relation to your hub and satelite system. Also please explain when you you start first day duty. This might help clear up the confusion.