It keeps getting better, ASA nonrev fees increase

[sweptback]

IF YOU WANT MAINLINE TRAVEL BENNIES, then get a mainline job!

I would love a mainline job. Where can I find one?

 

[SLUF4]

yeah that's true..management does so I guess I should just be happy with whatever crap sandwich they will be serving up next week. yay

 

[TurboAWD]

I mean, most of the people on here complaining are ASA Captains making well over 70k a year.

You say that as if you think $70k is a lot of money.

It is not.

Turbo

 

[johnpeace]

You say that as if you think $70k is a lot of money.

It is not.

Turbo

I've lived on an average of $30K the last 3 years.

With 3 kids.

$70K/year with raises every year sounds like a LOT of money to me.

It's all a matter of perspective.

 

[TurboAWD]

Good for you (really, I mean that). I still say $70k is not a lot of money. And if I thought I would top out at less than $100k, I would not have spent the time, money, and effort to get into this unstable industry.

Turbo

 

[johnpeace]

Good for you (really, I mean that). I still say $70k is not a lot of money. And if I thought I would top out at less than $100k, I would not have spent the time, money, and effort to get into this unstable industry.

Turbo

It's a dream come true for me...but I am coming from a background of self-employment.

I've been a web programmer for years. Got into flying several years ago and am about to be furloughed from ASA.

I've been on reserve since May.

I almost never work. I do maybe one or two trips a month.

The rest of the time, I build web applications for clients and bill 10-30 hrs a week from my home office or laptop.

I've been making more from web development than the airline has been paying me.

So, it's like I am still a self-employed web programmer...but with 2 paychecks a month deposited into my account, great benefits and travel privileges for myself and my family.

That, and just about the time I'm getting fed up with being in the house with everyone, crew scheduling sends me on a little jet-powered tour of the eastern US...where I get to fly the jet!

It couldn't be better!

I think the secret to being happy with an airline pilot career is to treat it for what it's worth: a great part-time second job.

Always have something else to do!

Just a matter of perspective I guess.

The furlough will sort of suck for me, it's going to be a big financial hit...but I really want to take the opportunity to learn with my family about how to live with less and get out of the credit/consumerism trap that has ensnared so many Americans.

When I get recalled, it'll be like a bonus: I'll get to go to training again, have more money in surplus to what my family needs and be able to take trips!

Life is good! Be happy!

 

[TurboAWD]

I'm not quite sure I understand how you have been making more money as a web development than flying and still make less than $30k/yr.

As far as the "fun of flying", I can understand that if you do a trip or two a month. Fly 800-1000hrs/yr for a few years and see if you still feel that way about it.

Turbo

 

[Full of LUV]

Your the one living the dream.....

I'm not quite sure I understand how you have been making more money as a web development than flying and still make less than $30k/yr.

As far as the "fun of flying", I can understand that if you do a trip or two a month. Fly 800-1000hrs/yr for a few years and see if you still feel that way about it.

Turbo

Turbo,
It says on your cedentials that your the one living the dream. You haven't topped out at $70K, you just have to change airlines if you want more. Many things in life involve risk for greater reward. Not saying that it is easy, but next time the majors are hiring, you have to be willing to put that seniority online.
Luv

 

[JoeMerchant]

Turbo,
It says on your cedentials that your the one living the dream. You haven't topped out at $70K, you just have to change airlines if you want more. Many things in life involve risk for greater reward. Not saying that it is easy, but next time the majors are hiring, you have to be willing to put that seniority online.
Luv

....like Eastern, Braniff, TWA, Pan Am, United, USAir....roll the dice.....

 

[CFI2766]

Turbo,
It says on your cedentials that your the one living the dream. You haven't topped out at $70K, you just have to change airlines if you want more. Many things in life involve risk for greater reward. Not saying that it is easy, but next time the majors are hiring, you have to be willing to put that seniority online.
Luv

Somewhat myopic, don't ya think?

 

[TurboAWD]

Turbo,
It says on your cedentials that your the one living the dream.

That is what they call "Facetious"

I re-read your post, and I see that you wrote "living on" not "making", so I assume that you fly at SWA and make considerably more than 30k.

And I didn't say anything about me making 70k, I made close to 90k this year, which is why I know 70k isn't so hot (because 90k isn't that great, either).

As far as moving on to a better paying job, I intend to when the oportunity comes. But there is a lot of luck involved. And, although I don't generally agree with Joe, I do agree that I shouldn't have to take that much risk to move on. Another reason why I need to make more than I do (or would as an FO at a major)- to make the risk palatable.

Turbo

 

[johnpeace]

I'm not quite sure I understand how you have been making more money as a web development than flying and still make less than $30k/yr.

I've been ramping up the web dev work slowly over the last few months. At the level I billed in December, it's surpassing my airline earnings.

I'll be able to take on more work and increase billable hours in light of recent news.

As far as the "fun of flying", I can understand that if you do a trip or two a month. Fly 800-1000hrs/yr for a few years and see if you still feel that way about it.

Turbo

Thanks, but I don't think I want to do it like that.

My plan (after recall) is to stay on reserve as long as it's slow and the reserves aren't used much...then once it gets busy, drop as many trips as I can as a lineholder.

This is a way better part time job than it is a sole means of making a living.

Like I said earlier, I'm sort of an independent thinker...don't expect to agree with me or see things my way very often.

 

[777forever]

You say that as if you think $70k is a lot of money.

It is not.

Turbo

Its a matter of perspective. To me, its a decent amount of money. Especially for a job that has decent raises every year. At 70k you are making more money than most people in the USA. It allows you to live a comfortable middle class lifestyle or better. What more can you ask for? Filet Mignon?

As far as topping out under 100k, I don't know any well paying regional that does that. Hell you can make more than that as a senior capt at Mesa.

 

[TurboAWD]

My plan (after recall) is to stay on reserve as long as it's slow and the reserves aren't used much...then once it gets busy, drop as many trips as I can as a lineholder.

Hmmm... you used the word "plan" while refering to your airline career. At a regional airline, at that.

Good luck with that.

Turbo

 

[TurboAWD]

Its a matter of perspective. To me, its a decent amount of money. Especially for a job that has decent raises every year. At 70k you are making more money than most people in the USA.

And my perspective is that after spending years and many $$$ getting qualified for this job, and then spending years on "the street" underemployed due to 9/11, and then facing a huge paycut to move forward in this career, and then being at the bottom of a list highly subject to losing my job again, I say $70k is not adaquate.

Risk > Reward

Turbo

 

[JoeMerchant]

And my perspective is that after spending years and many $$$ getting qualified for this job, and then spending years on "the street" underemployed due to 9/11, and then facing a huge paycut to move forward in this career, and then being at the bottom of a list highly subject to losing my job again, I say $70k is not adaquate.

Risk > Reward

Turbo

That is why some of us "choose" not to go to the bottom of another list and start over again....It isn't worth it to many now.....

 

[TurboAWD]

Which I understand. However, I feel a senior position at a "regional" is false security. To much chance for closing domiciles (I won't commute), or your flying being completely replaced. And yes, I will stipulate, ALPA as a whole has made many mistakes leading to this situation. And yes, I also realize that "the majors" aren't exactly stable. I just feel the instability is compounded working at a subcontractor.

And it doesn't change the fact that I don't think 70-90k is a "lot" of money. And I want a pony.

Turbo

 

[wms]

Good for you (really, I mean that). I still say $70k is not a lot of money. And if I thought I would top out at less than $100k, I would not have spent the time, money, and effort to get into this unstable industry.

Turbo

75% of all millionaires make less than 6 figures. It's not how much you earn, it's what you do with it. Not to say a guy shouldn't have the majors as a goal, I do, but happiness isn't what you achieve, it's who you are.

 

[COOPERVANE]

A$$hole= Someone who states a large sum of money is not that large in order to make himself look successful to his peers.

70K IS a lot of money to most people in the WORLD. If you can only scrape by on 70K-90K and you don't live in Manhattan, you need to read some money management books...Seriously

 

[SYX328]

Republic is getting the same raise in fees. However if you have all ready set yourself up then you don't have to pay until your next renewal.