It keeps getting better, ASA nonrev fees increase

[Full of LUV]

Don't know why ASA would cherish that?

Heard on the Radio that Southwest is coming to Atl. Southwest is doing well in Denver and is planning the same in the ATL. I will support them a well run company with my hard earned cash

Maybe true, but if you are an ASA employee, you should like SWA in ATL less than anyone than perhaps Airtran...... Is it some blind hatred for your primary customer, Delta, that you want another LCC in ATL? What routes will get hit first with SWA from ATL, probably the cherry ones at first like NY and LA, but overall, I doubt it would be helpful to any of the airlines serving ATL to have more competition in ATL. I know the SWA folks say that low fares stimulate airtravel, but with Airtran already in place, I'm not sure how much pent up airtravel exists in ATL.

 

[Regul8r]

No KIDDING!

I'm so glad to have the looming threat of segment fees/per passenger/trip costs out from over my head!

We (the 5 of us) fly from ATL to ABQ 2-4 times a year. That would be about $2500/trip if we were paying for it.

The $212 annual fee I'll spend to be able to do it non-rev is no big deal.

I'm pretty sure for me, paying $212 once a year is going to be less than the total per mile/segment fees that would otherwise have been assessed.

Also, I'm really glad I'm able to go through life as a 'glass is half (or more) full' kind of guy.

Some of you folks seem really negative and discouraged.

I have a job with great benefits including extremely cheap air travel for me and my family, great medical benefits and a regular paycheck. My management does a great job and is responsive to my requests. I get terrific training and work under really fair work rules.

All this, and to top it off...I barely even have to go to work!

WTF would complain about that?

Ahhhh...the blissfully unaware. You lose your medical tomorrow, Chief...how far are your F/O savings going to get you and the family? We know the golly-gee-willickers "glass half-full" crowd seldom take things like that into account because that's just stinkin' thinkin'

Get real

 

[dispatchguy]

Pardon my ignorance, but would u have to pay the activation fee just to fly on your own metal as well - in other words - anything with a DL flight code?

As an aside, I commute on you guys to/from SBN/FWA-ATL weekly, and I have had nothing but good flights...thanks for the rides

 

[CheeseDick]

don't they take unlimited jumpseaters? you'll have higher priority since its your airplane and I hope you wouldn't have to pay the fee to jumpseat...

Then an american pilot could go for free and you couldn't

 

[rtmcfi]

How about a segment fee for all flight EXCEPT for commuters who select 2 airports of their choce for commuting.

If all you do is commute, who cares about the fee? You can just jumpseat can't you?

For someone that wants to non-rev with their family, this sucks. As to all the folks that think it is just great to pay 200$ for something you used to get for free, I don't know what to say.

 

[crj567]

Don't DAL people get a higher priority riding ASA/ SKYW than their people do on mainline?
-I think that fact is really cheesing many people off.

 

[crj567]

No KIDDING!

I'm so glad to have the looming threat of segment fees/per passenger/trip costs out from over my head!

We (the 5 of us) fly from ATL to ABQ 2-4 times a year. That would be about $2500/trip if we were paying for it.

The $212 annual fee I'll spend to be able to do it non-rev is no big deal.

I'm pretty sure for me, paying $212 once a year is going to be less than the total per mile/segment fees that would otherwise have been assessed.

Also, I'm really glad I'm able to go through life as a 'glass is half (or more) full' kind of guy.

Some of you folks seem really negative and discouraged.

I have a job with great benefits including extremely cheap air travel for me and my family, great medical benefits and a regular paycheck. My management does a great job and is responsive to my requests. I get terrific training and work under really fair work rules.

All this, and to top it off...I barely even have to go to work!

WTF would complain about that?

Anyone else think this guy need an "around the world" wedgie? Maybe a "flushie," just for grins!

-I call dibs!

 

[JumpersAway]

Personally, I don't care either way. It sucks, but it's not like you can really do much in the way of travelling anyways. Willing to bust a family vacation on the odds of catching four empty seats on an airplane durring the spring, summer, or early fall- I don't think so. I'd rather buy the tickets off Travelocity.

As for the banquet- don't care either. I'm not one for fanfare and such. The pin- just something else to sit in my dresser drawer.

Damn......after seeing the memo about the acars passwords, I realized that people really will bitch about anything.

 

[dispatchguy]

acars passwords?

 

[ohplease!]

acars passwords?

yep. folks getting torqued out about using their birth date.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

yep. folks getting torqued out about using their birth date.

Easy solution. Everytime I fly with a new crew, I go in and change my password to make it look like my birthday falls during our trip.

The FO, thinking I'm a year older, buys me a beer to celebrate my "birthday." Greatest trick ever.

 

[Plainsman]

Are you management?

 

[ohplease!]

Easy solution. Everytime I fly with a new crew, I go in and change my password to make it look like my birthday falls during our trip.

The FO, thinking I'm a year older, buys me a beer to celebrate my "birthday." Greatest trick ever.

Now thats a great idea! never thought of that one....mind if I use it?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Have at it. :beer:

 

[ohplease!]

Have at it. :beer:

thanks Stif...I'll give ya' full credit.

 

[bailout]

. If I work for coke and deliver product to Walmart, should I get a 15% discount on everything Walmart sells?

People working for Coke don't deliver product, they make it.


oh, nevermind.....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fact is that we as employees of this industry have show management one thing. They can take something away and will will get pi$$ed, but only for a short time and then we forget and move on. If we would not forget, and not move on from the injustice, then they might actually take note. Until them expect them to widdle away at your bennies. It saves them money.

FWIW We Deltoids are S-3C on any flight that is not mainline. For a guy like me it makes getting to MKE very difficult.

 

[CRJ puppy]

FWIW We Deltoids are S-3C on any flight that is not mainline. For a guy like me it makes getting to MKE very difficult.

You're also still an "S3" or "S2" on Comair as for the moment we are still a wholy owned subsidiary...

But with the way the flying gets shuffled around, and with multiple DCI carriers, we might not fly where and when you wan to go.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

true, and it is quite annoying!

 

[777forever]

Its not a big deal. I bet most here have spent more than 200 bucks on a bar tab before. If you want to vent, vent to the pilots with "awesome" travel benefits like the AA/Eagle guys about the 200 bucks and let me know how that goes:laugh:

I mean, most of the people on here complaining are ASA Captains making well over 70k a year. Over 200 bucks? Everyone here does realize that the nation is going thru the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression right?

 

[777forever]

FWIW We Deltoids are S-3C on any flight that is not mainline. For a guy like me it makes getting to MKE very difficult.

And thats ALOT of flights these days, especially with so many 900s, 175s running around. The grass isn't always greener folks....

 

[SLUF4]

Personally for me, it's not as much about the $200 as it is about a further erosion of benefits. It's not very easy to non-rev anywhere these days because of the changes to our priority instituted a while back. The increase to our health insurance premiums, degradation of the ESPP etc... We as employees are suffering through this recession too. I am grateful to have a job, but little things like that go a long way in keeping morale up. We aren't going to have any customers left if the pilots and FA's are pissed off all the time.

 

[777forever]

Personally for me, it's not as much about the $200 as it is about a further erosion of benefits. It's not very easy to non-rev anywhere these days because of the changes to our priority instituted a while back. The increase to our health insurance premiums, degradation of the ESPP etc... We as employees are suffering through this recession too. I am grateful to have a job, but little things like that go a long way in keeping morale up. We aren't going to have any customers left if the pilots and FA's are pissed off all the time.

Maybe they need to implement the fee per mile and/or fee per segment fees for a one month trial period. Im pretty sure the ranting about the $200 bucks will come to a screeching halt.

 

[Regul8r]

Everyone here does realize that the nation is going thru the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression right?

Thanks for the news, Mr. Buffet!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Maybe they need to implement the fee per mile and/or fee per segment fees for a one month trial period. Im pretty sure the ranting about the $200 bucks will come to a screeching halt.

OK...so then where do you draw the line personally? Are you willing to pay $300...$400...or more per year?

 

[samballs]

Lets see what the CMR, XJ and Compass pilots have to pay.

50.00 a year at comair

 

[SLUF4]

Maybe so 777...or how bout this idea--it's like it was a few years ago when it was basically FREE. I agree with Stifler's Mom-where do you draw the line? Are you willing to just let them increase it over and over again or what is your personal limit? And I think you missed my point that it's not exactly the $200 a year that makes me mad, but the fact that they keep finding new ways to stick it to us the employees.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I trust that getting stuck for these new fees will not cause any employee to lessen his/her "professionalism" or motivation to go the "extra mile" and save additional costs by, say, single engine taxi, requesting direct, flying at any altitude other than filed, or taxiing onto the ramp without the required wing walkers.

Seems to me, a pilot who did not remain "professional" might cost many multiples of this fee during a SINGLE flight. Pilots are not the only ones that should remain "professional". The required wing walkers, who also got hit, may be busy servicing other aircraft or otherwise not be immediately available as the inbound aircraft burns XX gallons of fuel per minute.

 

[777forever]

Maybe so 777...or how bout this idea--it's like it was a few years ago when it was basically FREE. I agree with Stifler's Mom-where do you draw the line? Are you willing to just let them increase it over and over again or what is your personal limit? And I think you missed my point that it's not exactly the $200 a year that makes me mad, but the fact that they keep finding new ways to stick it to us the employees.

We don't draw the line. Our management does. And I believe they saved us mucho dinero by not allowing fee per segment and/or per mile to be implemented. If that had happened then I would have been right there with you guys crying foul.

But when we're still able to fly first class across the ocean in a $5,000 plus seat multiple times a year for $200 no one from other airlines or the public is going to have any sympathy for us.

Me personally, I'm cool with spending the $200 bucks. And I didn't even break 24k last year...

Oh and where would I draw the line? $300 bucks.

 

[Full of LUV]

Wow.....

I trust that getting stuck for these new fees will not cause any employee to lessen his/her "professionalism" or motivation to go the "extra mile" and save additional costs by, say, single engine taxi, requesting direct, flying at any altitude other than filed, or taxiing onto the ramp without the required wing walkers.

Seems to me, a pilot who did not remain "professional" might cost many multiples of this fee during a SINGLE flight. Pilots are not the only ones that should remain "professional". The required wing walkers, who also got hit, may be busy servicing other aircraft or otherwise not be immediately available as the inbound aircraft burns XX gallons of fuel per minute.

Is this the current generation of pilots thinking, taking your own work ethic, professionalism, and pettiness over a benefit that I personally believe is better than any other regional out there.
You are owned by Skywest. For that matter, your seats are owned and paid for by Delta. The fact that ASA gets nonrev on DAL other than ID90 is a gift from heaven.

IF YOU WANT MAINLINE TRAVEL BENNIES, then get a mainline job! You already have jumpseat for yourself, so either pay for the family or get a job that affords the family travel bennies.

Threatening a job action over a benefit that should be truly eliminated if the shareholders knew better, is childish at best, and completely unprofessional.