Is the worst over at Flexjet?

bunman45

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Just sitting here in the hotel sipping a glass of wine and eating some cashews, naked and wondering if the worst is behind us here at flex. Any thoughts?
 

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Being I'm one of the 85, and currently sipping powered lemonade, eating MRE's, and fully clothed in 120 degree heat...I sure as ____ hope so!
 

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Like a dead snitch it's hard to tell.
 

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I thought the worst was over for the industry, then Citation Shares layed off more people and downgraded.

Flexjet wise, they have no clue what is going to happen, all they do is react. Wish I was at NJ.
 

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In looking at the numbers, it looks like Citation Shares held out on the deeper cuts than we did. Their numbers are now about the same as ours. Who knows whether the end is near or not. I sure hope so for everyone's sake. I did see in AIN for whatever that is worth, that the analysts are saying the used market has bottomed out. I think that is usually a good sign. Some of the more experienced guys could better comment on that from previous recessions.
 

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Yeah I have some thoughts... Put some Freaking clothes on prior to posting !!! Dude, I know your Gay because you lay in bed eating cashews and sipping wine... ;)
 

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Yeah I have some thoughts... Put some Freaking clothes on prior to posting !!! Dude, I know your Gay because you lay in bed eating cashews and sipping wine... ;)
C'mon bro! Have a sense of humor.
 

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Believe me, my post is in jest. I was laughing at the thought of it...
 

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I thought the worst was over for the industry, then Citation Shares layed off more people and downgraded.

Flexjet wise, they have no clue what is going to happen, all they do is react. Wish I was at NJ.
I am sure that is just what the Flex 85 love to hear. Oh, by the way,

I wish you were at NJ too!

The grass is always greener you TOOL.
 

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Reacting, in and of itself, isn't bad. It's the way some managers reacted that makes the difference. Recognizing that some are more pilot-friendly and willing to try alternatives first is just basic honesty and preferring a perceived better deal is simply human nature. For all we know, Uncle just posted what some of the Flex 85 are thinking.

I have been hoping that the furlough mitigation effort at NJ would spread to the other fracs, or at least help them in some way. I knew that would require open-minded managers but it never occurred to me that other frac pilots wouldn't want their own version of the voluntary measures, especially if it meant saving jobs.

Good luck to the Flex 85 and their families. I know the recall clock is ticking for you. Best Wishes, NJW
 

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never mind...
 
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netjetwife

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Hey, Nolife, I read your original post in an email notice. I had no problem with it...maybe a bit blunt...but definitely honest. You have my sympathy. NJW
 

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Being I'm one of the 85, and currently sipping powered lemonade, eating MRE's, and fully clothed in 120 degree heat...I sure as ____ hope so!
Remember, at least you're working and earning some $$$. That's my backup plan if things go/went bad at NJ. I know the reserves are ALWAYS looking for bodies to fill aircraft and will take a guy who recently retired.

Keep your head down and be safe!!
 

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It seems like the monthlies are holding steady at current levels. The problem is of course, until the flying ratchets back up, no recalls. The one thing I'm unhappy with management for doing is the short recall window. I don't get that at all. Any of you oldsters care to explain that one to me?
 

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Two year recall window. This recovery is going to be slow, imo, and I think two years is too short.
 

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Was anyone ever able to figure out the reasoning as to why they did a two year limit - unlike anywhere else?
 

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I'm guessing it was just an arbitrary number they came up with. I wish they had unlmiited recall time.

Hopefully things have bottomed out. Listening to and reading the news all I know is that

Michael Jackson finally died.

And there is supposedly several hundred billion dollars worth of commercial real estate loans coming soon that were mortgaged the same way as the housing market.

Fingers crossed for everyone!
 

netjetwife

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Fast, while we're waiting for Flex folks to reply, I can think of a few...but none of them are good... :erm: BTW, was the 2 yr limit a previously established company policy or was it just decided with the recent furloughs?

I'm sorry your pilots are getting a raw deal on the recall issue. The unlimited amount at NJ and CS might be too much to hope for as an industry standard, at this point, but I wish there was at least a recognized minimum that was realistic for protracted recessions. AA gets 7 yrs.

The Flex situation does serve to reinforce to the Options pilots the need to get good furlough rules in their contract...along with the plight of their own pilots on the street....:( unfortunately. Condolences to all furloughed pilots and their families. NJW

Photo, I echo your sentiments! Fingers crossed here, too!
 
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