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According to the SONG website, TVs won't be a part of the leather seats until Early 2004!!! I'm not sure how this is going to play on the expectant traveller when he/she can pay the same price on JB and really get the entertainment advertised. Nine months at the earliest is a long time to pass out surveys to passengers on what kind of channel selections they want on their "TVs".
 
TV is great but it's not going to make or break Song.

Remember the term LCC. LOW COST Carrier.

It's not MCC Most Channel Carrier or Best TV Carrer

This is moving very rapidly to a price line business.

You don't seen any web sites, Airline with TV.com. But their are plenty called Cheaptickets.com

Song will be just fine. I seem to remember another LCC that does pretty good without tv. Southwest.

If you think I am full of it take the time to look at the prices. Song is not going to have any problem. On the other hand American will no doubt have to do something.

http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-trsong3218304apr13.story
 
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Song gives analysts good vibrations

By Todd Pack | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted April 13, 2003

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STORIES

Delta's new tune
Apr 13, 2003

March makeover. (ERIK S. LESSER FOR THE ORLANDO SENTINEL)
Apr 13, 2003

Delta Air Lines isn't the only big airline to launch a low-cost brand, but some experts say it could be one of the only carriers to make the concept work.

Song's gizmo-packed planes, low overhead and direct service from the Northeast to prime vacation spots such as Orlando could make it the most serious threat yet to bargain brands such as AirTran, JetBlue and Southwest, analysts said.

"There are people who'll say I'm crazy, but I believe Song is a major competitor," airline consultant Michael Boyd said.

Big airlines have always had trouble running successful small ones because their larger organizations aren't nearly as nimble or efficient as those of their low-cost competitors, said George Hamlin, a senior vice president of Washington-based Global Aviation Associates.

Bargain brands such as United Airlines' Shuttle and US Airways' MetroJet couldn't fly as cheaply and ended up among the first business lines cut when air travel fell after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, analysts said.

Delta's own Delta Express brand, launched in October 1996 to help the No. 3 airline fend off discounters on key Florida routes, is still flying but will be replaced by Song.

Start-up cost: $65 million

Florida is a crucial market for Delta, representing 30 percent of its domestic revenue, said Song's president, John Selvaggio.

But most of that revenue comes from tourists, who typically pay less for their tickets than do business travelers, who often pay a premium for booking at the last minute.

By keeping Song's operating costs down, the company hopes to make more money on those Florida leisure fares, helping the company overall.

Delta is spending $65 million to start a new airline from scratch rather than change Delta Express because it wanted its low-cost brand to have a distinct identity, one where travelers wouldn't expect amenities such as first-class that are associated with Delta's mainline service, said Tim Mapes, Song's managing director.

And Song is all about being distinctive -- from its vivid colors, to its melodious name to its entertainment system. The system, designed to one-up JetBlue, promises live TV plus a digital music library, video games and Internet access. JetBlue, which also flies between the Northeast and Florida, offers live satellite TV.

But Song aims to make money by lowering its costs, executives said.

It plans to keep its planes flying 12.7 hours a day, compared with 11.5 hours a day for Delta Express. Planes don't make money sitting at the gate.

Banning stand-by "buddy passes" for friends and families of employees and steering passengers to self-service kiosks will let Song get by with fewer workers at the airport.

Removing the first-class section and a galley from Song's Boeing 757s will let the airline increase capacity from 186 passengers to 199. U.S. regulations require one flight attendant for every 50 passengers, so limiting capacity to 199 will eliminate the need for an extra flight attendant on board the aircraft.

Using 36 of Delta's newest 757s will give Delta lower maintenance costs than it had on Delta Express, which flew older, smaller 737s. Delta Express' planes will go back to Delta's mainline service.

Pennies a mile

Delta's goal in all this is to hold down Song's operating cost per available seat mile, a key figure watched by analysts. Delta's was 10.3 cents in 2002. Spokeswoman Stacy Geagan said Song's goal is between 7 cents and 8 cents a mile.

JetBlue said in January its operating cost was 6.4 cents. Southwest's was 7.4 cents, while AirTran's was 8.5 cents. The discounters were among the few U.S. airlines to make money in 2002.

Other airlines are looking at starting low-fare units. United is working on a successor to its defunct Shuttle, and Virgin Group is looking at starting a low-price U.S. carrier -- a plan the British company says hinges on one or more existing U.S. airlines going out of business soon.

But while the industry is watching Song, it probably won't be a role model for other big carriers, Boyd said.

If Song works, it will be because the airline is focused on the East Coast, where Delta already is strong. It will focus on key cities such as New York, where demand is high for cheap transportation to Orlando and other Florida vacation spots.

There isn't enough demand to support a Song in smaller markets, Boyd said. "They won't be putting those planes in Syracuse."

Hamlin agreed. "If it's confined to a particular set of [large] markets, it may work," he said.

Todd Pack can be reached at [email protected] or 407-420-5407.


Copyright © 2003, Orlando Sentinel
 
G4G5,

I have yet to see you answer any of my points in my second post. What gives? Why are you just repeating the same old line? One thing to remember about your MCC theory is this is a new concept, it wasn't around in 1971 when Herb got his start. I would say it would be cost prohibitive to retofit all his aircraft now.


NYRangers,

Please take that article for what it is; one analyst's opinion out of thousands. Don't think for a minute that most pilots, managers, FAs, etc. at jetBlue think we are in the free and clear since we found an analyst that will sing our praises. Sure, you can always find one or two out of any group that thinks they'll have smooth sialing, but usually there is a "silent majority" in most groups that realize what work really lays ahead. I hope Delta's employees don't think this means they can rest. There is a whole lot of work involved in developing a new brand.

I wish you guys luck. I've always said this industry needed more real competition, now we'll have it. Now you can see the best that both companies have to offer.

JayDub
 
JayDub said:

NYRangers,

Please take that article for what it is; one analyst's opinion out of thousands. Don't think for a minute that most pilots, managers, FAs, etc. at jetBlue think we are in the free and clear since we found an analyst that will sing our praises. Sure, you can always find one or two out of any group that thinks they'll have smooth sialing, but usually there is a "silent majority" in most groups that realize what work really lays ahead. I hope Delta's employees don't think this means they can rest. There is a whole lot of work involved in developing a new brand.

I wish you guys luck. I've always said this industry needed more real competition, now we'll have it. Now you can see the best that both companies have to offer.

JayDub

I just wanted to post an article that seems more informed than most. It's refreshing to see one that doesn't blame the cost of labor as the sole indicator of success or failure.

There are some interesting things happening at Song. A friend of mine was hired by Song to be an FA. She was going to be furloughed by Delta, so she attened the "audition" (ya, thats what they are calling it, a little goofy but whatever) and was hired. She signed a 5 year contract, at the end she will get $25,000 and be free to pursure other employment.

I don't think Delta people will "rest" because of an article that thinks they will suceed. Song is based on some good solid ideas. Some ideas are shared and some will be very unique. I think the ability to pre purchase food is a great idea, you pay for what you want.

Anyway, I think Song will be a winner. With Delta's added perks, I see many people comming over to Song.

Take care and fly safe.

NYR
 
JayDub, what's ur damage?

JayDub said:

Lastly, I'd like to address the original post. Haven't you noticed this idiot is a flame-bater? I know most of the pilots from jetBlue that post on this forum by name, but can yet find a single soul that knows who "Kid Charlemegne" is. Not to say he isn't a blue-suiter, but I have my doubts. It seems, though, he never runs out of people falling for his little antics. It's not that I blame you for jumping on what he says, it's just that I wish you all weren't so easily taken by him. I think his motives are quite transparent.


Respectfully,

JayDub


Hey JayDub,

Newsflash....yes, I really am a JetBlue captain....although I am not much of Blue-Aid drinker. As far as who I am, lets just say that I am senior to you, as I am in the top half of the captain list. BTW, I also note you have only 3,000+ hours.....that doesn't seem like very much. I for example have over 8,000 - not that more flight time automatically makes one a better pilot, but I certainly think it is a big factor (it's hard to over-emphasize the importance of experience).

So why don't you stop wasting your time wondering if I really am a "bluesuiter" or not....I don't think anybody else here really cares one way or the other. Instead just add your opinion to the thread and I'm sure most here will read it with an open mind.

Finally, I know this is off-topic....but tomorrow (April 15) is deadline for AA pilots to vote on TA. Let's hope our brothers over at AMR are smart enough to vote down that piece of garbage and tell management what they can do with it!! It's about time some pilots showed a little spine.....full pay to the last day!!!!!
 
A couple of points...

First point: I have a few questions about Song. These q's aren't intended to become flame bait--I'm simply interested in how the CASM is going to be lower than mainline Delta.

- The turn times are supposed to be short. Will the pilots and inflight clean the jet in order to make that happen?

- If so, has there been any scuttlebutt on the street on how that will be accepted among the pilots?

- I also read in the Wall Street Journal that Song intends on using a new "system" for bag handling, specifically a single bag conveyer. Won't that slow down bag delivery times?

Second point: I only have around 4800 hours. Gee. I guess I have a long way to go to be as safe as the high timers on the board...

...just when I thought I was competent...BAM...somebody comes along and does a flight time pecker check.:rolleyes:
 
Newsflash....yes, I really am a JetBlue captain....although I am not much of Blue-Aid drinker.


SONG has some turbulence ahead. I don't think B6 is too worried right now.....General Lee care to comment? What have u heard?

OK, so you aren't a Blue-Aid drinker? Then you must just like getting a rise out of people, huh? I thought that was the definition of a Flame-Bater.
(it's hard to over-emphasize the importance of experience).

I would definately agree!

JayDub
 
A few responses

JayDub:

No hard feelings. Just do me a favor and don't make assumptions about me - stick to your own thoughts and opinions. The truth is this thread was not intended to be flamebait....I merely heard through some pretty knowledgeable people that Song's IFE might not be in place for 2 years and I wanted to know if anyone else could verify that. That's it - nothing more to it. If you want to consider that "flame-bait" then you go right ahead.


Eagleflip:

I would be very surprised if the Delta pilots go back in the cabin and help clean on turns. But hey, I could be wrong. Also, I never said a person with less flight time is "unsafe"....merely said experience is important. Though you have 4800 hours, I see you have a military background, flew the F-15. I respect that and feel (like most) that military time should be given the benefit of some multiplier when considering total time.
I merely expressed surprised that JayDub, with apparantly all civilian time, has only 3,000 hours. That seems very low to me - but again, I never said that necessarily makes him or anyone else an unsafe pilot....so hopefully no one is gonna put words in my mouth.
 
I don't really think DAL has to make money for Song to work as planned. It only has to take business away from JB. If they can drive JB out of business, or at least blunt their growth, then they will probably be satisfied.
 
According to this article the IFE is on schedule for OCT 03.





Song Takes to the Air; The World's Most Innovative Low-Fare Service Takes Flight
April 15, 2003 06:05:00 AM ET


NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 15, 2003--

First Flight Departs from NYC's JFK to West Palm Beach: Unique Amenities - Video on Demand, Live Satellite TV- Will Enrich Travel Experience and Fit Customers' Individual and Changing Needs

-- Branded Food and Beverage Offerings Available for Purchase

-- Schedule to Expand to 144 Daily Flights, Primarily between Northeast and Key Florida Leisure Destinations

Song(TM), Delta Air Lines' new service developed to change customer expectations for high-quality, low-fare air travel, begins operations today with its maiden voyage from New York City's John F. Kennedy International Airport to West Palm Beach, Fla.

Song, which will provide direct non-stop service initially between cites in the Northeast and key Florida leisure destinations, Atlanta and Las Vegas, will offer 144 daily non-stop flights by October. Additionally, Song will service all three New York metro area airports - JFK, LaGuardia and Newark - the only low-fare service to do so.

"A new era in air travel takes off," said John Selvaggio, president of Song. "We are reintroducing fun, excitement and, most importantly, choice into the travel experience; we are very excited to be taking off today."

Piloted by Delta pilot and Song VP, Operations, Safety and Compliance Dave Pflieger, the sold-out inaugural flight departs JFK's recently refurbished Terminal 2 at 9:20 a.m. and is scheduled to arrive in West Palm Beach at 12:06 p.m. Guests will be treated to an inaugural ceremony in one of the colorful, newly branded Song gate areas. The ceremony, led by Selvaggio, will feature demonstrations of the many choices and amenities that will be available to Song customers, including:

-- A sampling/tasting of food created exclusively for Song by the executive food consultant Chef Michel Nischan.

-- A demonstration by Matsu**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**a Avionics Systems of the state-of-the-art seatback in-flight entertainment system, which Song will roll out this fall in partnership with EchoStar Communications Corporation DISH and its DISH Network(TM) satellite TV service.

-- A regimen of stretching and relaxing led by Exhale Spa, which has partnered with Song to provide on-board spa packs and relaxation amenities.

Song will meet air travelers' individual and ever-changing needs through a variety of innovations, several of which are industry firsts. These include:

-- Regular updates to amenities and services based on customer feedback. Customers have the ability to vote on products and services via the Song Web site: www.flysong.com.

-- The first-ever airline Web site to find low fares across a range of dates. When searching for flights at flysong.com, customers can instantly view additional low fares by selecting a wider range of dates rather than starting the search process from the beginning, for an experience that offers more information and flexibility.

-- The most advanced in-flight entertainment technology available (October 2003). Song is partnering with Matsu**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**a Avionics Systems and EchoStar Communications Corporation DISH and its DISH Network(TM) satellite TV service to provide a complement of on-board amenities, which will include: -- Personal video monitors at every seat with "touch screen" technology and credit card "swipe" capability. -- Live, all-digital satellite television programming from DISH Network. -- Digitally-streamed MP3 audio programming, which will allow passengers to create a personal play list from an extensive library of audio files. -- Pay-per-view programming available on demand, which will feature a wide-range of current offerings for all ages. -- Multi-player interactive games that allow play between passengers. -- Interactive iXplor moving map program with zoom capabilities and points of interest information. -- Connecting gate information broadcast directly to personal in-seat video monitors.

-- Expandable in-flight entertainment technology which will facilitate the opportunity to integrate additional services in the future such as in-flight shopping and on-line product purchase capabilities.

-- Premium branded beverage and food choices available on-board for purchase, including: -- Stolichnaya Seabreeze and Bloody Mary cocktails and Kahlua White Russians -- The "Song Sunrise," a cocktail created for Song containing a blend of Stolichnaya's Vodka and fresh cranberry and orange juices and served in the first-ever in-flight martini glasses -- Pizzeria Uno pizzas -- Cinnabon Breakfast Coffee Cakes -- Lender's bagels -- Yoplait and Stonyfield Farms organic yogurts -- Fresh, seasonal organic fruit

-- Complimentary Coca Cola(TM) products, including Dasani water.

-- A simple unrestricted low-fare pricing structure with most one-way fares expected to be as little as $79 and no more than $299.* Song will offer customers simple, user-friendly pricing options, including 14-day, 7-day, 3-day, walk-up fares and sale fares. Fares will not require a Saturday-night stay.

-- 33 inches of seat pitch, or more legroom, throughout the entire aircraft. This is the most legroom available from any low-fare service's fleet and more than most major carriers.

-- Frequent flyer benefits through the Delta SkyMiles(R) program and other partner programs.

-- Simple, one-step connections with Delta's worldwide service, including interline with SkyTeam(TM) members and other partner airlines.

"Our customers will play a major role in the development of Song," said Selvaggio, a 30-year veteran of the airline industry. "They will be able to vote products and services onto the aircraft. They will be able to make each flight what they want it to be."

Selvaggio added, "We've put a great deal of thought into everything we will offer, understanding that each time a person flies, he or she has different expectations. They may be on business and want the ability to prepare for a meeting. They may be flying with children and need something to keep them entertained. Or they may be flying for pleasure and are looking for a way to relax on board. We will be able to serve each of those customers on Song, on every flight."

Assets Unique among Low-Fare Segment

Technology: Unlike its competitors, Song has the advantage to leverage Delta's world-class technological infrastructure to create the world's first all-digital airline product, thereby offering customers a wide-range of conveniences, including:

-- Dedicated Web site - www.flysong.com. On the Web, Delta's technology infrastructure will support flysong.com, a simple, easy to use, information-rich site on which customers can purchase tickets, find lower fares, check-in for flights and print boarding cards from the convenience of their home or office.

-- First-ever book to ticket automation. (Available in fall 2003) Over the phone, customers will book and complete purchases directly with Song through voice-recognition technology.

-- Self-service kiosks. At the airport, self-service kiosks will continue to help customers avoid lines by electronically executing high-demand transactions.

-- Efficient gate and boarding. At the gate, exclusive gate information displays will ensure that customers remain informed up-to-the-minute. Additionally, gate and boarding technology will facilitate efficient, expedited boarding.

Cost savings through higher aircraft utilization: Delta has developed a process that facilitates Song's aircraft utilization rates to be among the highest in the industry - 12.7 hours per day, a 22 percent improvement over mainline Delta's average 757 aircraft.

"Song is an aggressive initiative to compete in the low-fare market," concluded Selvaggio. "We will not only offer low fares but lower operating costs, so we can be successful where previous attempts by other major airlines have failed."

Song is an innovative low-fare service, which will provide non-stop service between the Northeast and key Florida leisure destinations, Atlanta and Las Vegas, with 144 daily flights on 36 Boeing 757 aircraft. All Song flights are operated by Delta Air Lines. Song tickets can be purchased by visiting flysong.com or by calling 1-800-FlySong.

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© 2003 BusinessWire
 
Boy these press releases are entertaining. I haven't seen this much self gratification since "Baghdad Bob" stopped reporting on how great the Iraqi Army was killing all the infidels. Looks like he landed a PR job with Delta.

"Now from the Delta Minister of Information......................"

"There is no Southwest or jetBlue in Florida, they were all defeated by are wonderous Lime Army. Lies lies lies."
 
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Any song 757 Pics?

I did a search on Song's site as well as a cursory google spin and haven't been able to find any pics of the lime green 757. anyone?
 

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