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CRJ200FO said:
Gulfstream would not even exist if it were not for PFT. You are not taking someone else's job by paying for training because there wouldn't be a job without the FO program.


So does that mean the Captain's at GIA are there SOLELY for the purpose of being the second crewmember so you can get your coveted multi time???

Give me a break, justify it any way you want... PFT takes jobs from other pilots... period...

and you complain about SWA hurting the industry...

better go look in the mirror, you'll see the culprit looking right back at you...
 
C'mon guys......Like I said before this is a dead issue that has been debated for years now. There is not much reason to continue bashing PFT so harshly. Few pilots on this board speak out for PFT. Some who have get so frustrated with the answers they recieve they give up all together. CRJ200FO brings up good points but he is one of the few to really take a stand for his background. He should be admired for it. Why should he "mumble" his GIA background to those who ask him who he flew for prior to Pinnacle? Flying for Gulfstream got him where he is now but only by making sacrifices just like every other junior pilot at a small regional. I personally know him and he and I both put in long hours studying and he taught be much of what I know about the 1900. He made equal sacrifices to that of anyone who did not pay-for-training. The man was hired at a young age to teach 1900 simulator to people twice his age. He would stay up long hours for carppy pay. Just like any of your Cessna 152 CFI's. So I joined him in the ranks of GIA and took the same path he did. Almost exactly.;) He made it to Pinnacle on his own merit. Not because he paid but because he put in long hours of studying and work to get where he is. Neither of us came to GIA to step on the toes of those who chose not to pay. But we are treated as such. The funny thing is that the people who convinced me to attend GIA and pay my 18,000 were not employees of thier company. They were captains at ASA, Delta, United... I would ask them thier opinions and they all gave me a thumbs up to attend. I am not going to say that every major airline captain approves of what I did but I was brought up not to dwell on what others think of me. I hold no doubt as Bobby said that pilots at Continental think Gulfsream is a joke. But I hope that they know that many of thier fellow pilots at CO are sending thier sons and daughters to GIA for thier training because they believe in the program. I'm sure that many thousands of pilots would love to get a GIA grad in thier cockpit to take a cheap shot at him for the sole fact that be flew 250 hours for GIA. But I have been told by many that they would gladly fly with me. I am not endorsing Gulfstream but, I just want to say that the views that are expressed here pro/against PFT do not represent all pilots. There may be a majority that do not like PFT but I will respect thier opinion. I just hope they will allow me to give my side of the story and respect my opinion as well. Many of you like to take cheap shots at GIA's first officers and then hide behind screen names on a Bulliten Board. Or save what you really think after he has already turned his back after you sign his jumpseat form. The truth is that many of you will not give any GIA pilot the time of day for his opinions. Which really defeats the whole purpose of this message board. To those of you who publicly vocalize to those who paid you that you dislike what they did, I just hope that if one day you do so on my jumpseat or in the crew room,you will sit through my dissertation with as much open-mindedness as I gave yours. But I feel this post will have been written in vein as myself and CRJ200FO are in a minority on this board.

Happy Flying,

N9103M
Out-of-work GIA First Officer
 
H8U said:
GIA sucks. Compared to guys like bobbysamd who have worked their a$$es off, you Gulfscreamers dont deserve your jobs. What is it about these young punks who get CRJ jobs? It goes straight to your heads. At 850 hours, youre not fit to lick our boots!

And we are the one's with the big egos? Give me a fuc*ing break.
 
N9103M said:
But I feel this post will have been written in vein as myself and CRJ200FO are in a minority on this board.

I can understand how you feel like this, and you are correct, you very definately are the minority on the topic (by a HUGE margin)...

And you know why???

Because when PFT was rampant in this industry, you and CRJ200FO were riding your bikes and putting playing cards in your spokes to make that clicking sound... You weren't doing your homework because in 4th grade they don't give out homework... Your interest in aviation (if you had any at that point) was that planes looked cool...

You didn't know (or would have understood) what was going on in the industry and how wide spread of a problem it became, and how many true professionals it affected... How many guys who were highly qualified (but financially broke) 2,500+ hour pilots couldn't get hired (even with internal recommendations and a spotless record) but some 1,500 hour guy who happened to have $10,000 to pay for his training could get the job... (PFT was typically $10,000 back in 1991)

PFT is no where as widespread as it was back in 1991... If it was, you would really see some eye-opening information on this board... No one faults you because you are young, but you are arguing a point that you really don't understand the background... and how far back it goes...

And I doubt at 9 years old, CRJ200FO knew anything about what was going on in the airline industry, except that planes were cool... If we only had a time machine to be able to show you how much harm PFT did to many, many pilots careers... you might have thought differently about paying up the $18,000 so quickly... But then again, maybe not... it all comes down to character...
 
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N9103M said:
But I feel this post will have been written in vein as myself and CRJ200FO are in a minority on this board.

You're right about that. No one will ever listen to an opposing viewpoint on this board. They will simply continue to spew the same foul rhetoric over and over again. It really is a shame, because places like this message board could really make a difference if used correctly. Our time would be much better spent discussing the McCain-Lott bill that will destroy labor in the airline industry, but instead we are still beating the same dead PFT horse. It really is a shame. Thank you for the kind words, though.
 
GIA sucks. Compared to guys like bobbysamd who have worked their a$$es off, you Gulfscreamers dont deserve your jobs. What is it about these young punks who get CRJ jobs? It goes straight to your heads. At 850 hours, youre not fit to lick our boots!

Thanks for being my example....

Instead of giving constructive criticism you just come out with a bunch of ego-driven nonsense. I hope to one day get you in the seat next to me. I hope you can take the criticism that you have dealt others. With an attitude like that you'll make it about as far in this industry as I can throw you...which is not far.
 
OOOOHHH, Deftones a big shot!! Hero and Salvation of little guys everywhere!! I dont give advice and I dont want anyone to take it. All I do is laugh when people like you and CRJ start whining because its funny that you take a message board so seriously.
I dont care about your crappy attempt at words of wisdom. Its just funny to piss you off, hahaha
:D
 
9103M, thats tough talk, although we have come to expect that from a real pilot like you. Please criticize me, I sleep well at night with my job. I hope you do to.....sweet dreams
 
Because when PFT was rampant in this industry, you and CRJ200FO were riding your bikes and putting playing cards in your spokes to make that clicking sound... You weren't doing your homework because in 4th grade they don't give out homework... Your interest in aviation (if you had any at that point) was that planes looked cool...

Respectful post, thank you for giving me the time of day. I took my first flight when I was 9 years old and have never looked back until this point, when I realized that I may have stepped on the toes of many of my piers in this industry. But I will not let this kill my love and interest in aviation. Many things happened when I was beginning my love for aviation. The EAL strike of '89, PFT, etc. that damaged aviation for a long time, but I was un-educated to how many people dislike what GIA does. My piers who directed me in my start in aviation must have been the few who did not dislike PFT and that is how my choice was made. I will bet you that had I ran across more that disliked PFT I probaly would have chose differently. But this is the bed I have made myself and now I must sleep in it. I have near 42 years left in my possible airline career and plan to never look back with regret on any of them. I will not leave GIA and stab them in the back by tarnishing what they do. That is not who I am and I will never do that. That is what I stand for.

Happpy Flying
 
9103M, thats tough talk, although we have come to expect that from a real pilot like you. Please criticize me, I sleep well at night with my job. I hope you do to.....sweet dreams

I sleep well too.....

Good Night
 
C'mon, you can do better than that!
Sorry if you take it seriously, I really think its funny.
Folks on this board are just too wound up, I'll leave U alone now....until next time.....
 
H8U,

I was brought up to stand up for myself and my actions so when prompted, yes I do take your comments seriously. Many of you who I am making my points to are almost old enough to be my parents, and I respect your opinions as piers but I am not going to bow down and take one for the team just because you have more time and experience. I will make my point just as justly.

G'night y'all...it is this youngster's bedtime.

03M
 
Funny how a small question can turn into a giganto flame war! Give em' a whack for me....
 
and I respect your opinions as piers

A PIER!!??? I am NOT a pier. A peer maybe, but not a pier! I may have added some pounds here and there this semester, but jeez...I'm not that big!

Okay, I'm done being a smarta@@.
 
Don't mind me - I'm just bitter because I was listening to Van Halen's 1984 album on CD when you were born. Jeebus. I already feel like a old man after hitting on a girl Saturday that I could have sworn was my age. Turned out she was 17. DOH!
 
You have no idea how much crap I get when people find out how young I am. It sucks. Instead of partying at college, I am on crappy layovers in Melbourne, FL eating McDonalds. Go figure, huh?
 
Funny how that works isn't it. You get older but all the chicks stay the same age......

Oh Yeah...deftone...I'm a big fan of the 99 cent menu, but there is not a Wendys in sight!
 
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