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I think a CFI had posted the perfect meal(s) on here.
Cup-o-noodle or Ramen cup for lunch. Just eat the noodles and save the water/soup.
Reheat the water w/ some noodles from the store for dinner.
Total cost was under a buck!
Now *thats* cheap eating. It'll kill you and give you colon cancer 30 years from now, but who wants to live once you've retired, RIGHT?
Cup-o-noodle or Ramen cup for lunch. Just eat the noodles and save the water/soup.
Reheat the water w/ some noodles from the store for dinner.
Total cost was under a buck!
Now *thats* cheap eating. It'll kill you and give you colon cancer 30 years from now, but who wants to live once you've retired, RIGHT?
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Gulfstream defenders
To give you a related example, how do you like it when you meet someone, start talking with him/her, and the person admits he/she got an interview because he/she knows the Chief Pilot? After you've been working your a$$ off sending resumes and updates to the same company, and looking for and locating someone you know who could walk in your materials? You know the feeling you get in the pit of your stomach? That's what I call frustrating. Not to mention the 300-hour wonders who get on with a major(s).
When people come on the board asking for advice and I give it, I always wish them luck with their decision. One thing I learned about this business, and especially when making important, life-altering decisions, is so much of it is based on incomplete, or inaccurate, or undocumented information. Or rumors, especially. Or opinions. Absent objective information, you can only gather as much information as possible, gather as many opinions as possible, try to ferret out a consensus, consider it carefully, and make your decision. In aviation, you can make a career decision and it will probably be wrong. So, luck is needed. Some people have decided on Gulfstream. There is no way to know if they went through this kind of decision-making process or if some salesman swayed them and preyed upon their impatience. Having said all that, I wish them luck with their decisions. And, once again, to thine ownself be true.
The reason being, of course, is they don't want to admit that they did it, that they got a job by paying for it.N9103M said:
To give you a related example, how do you like it when you meet someone, start talking with him/her, and the person admits he/she got an interview because he/she knows the Chief Pilot? After you've been working your a$$ off sending resumes and updates to the same company, and looking for and locating someone you know who could walk in your materials? You know the feeling you get in the pit of your stomach? That's what I call frustrating. Not to mention the 300-hour wonders who get on with a major(s).
Well, the violin bows are rising up and down in unison. What kind of sacrifices? To be invited to class to any regional is a privilege. That's my .02 opinion, born out of effort (or spinning my wheels) of trying to secure such an opportunity. Once more, opportunity, and invitation.
I would have loved an opportunity like that, having instructed for 3565 hours. What an opportunity to hone your understanding of the LOFT and procedures. Are you implying that the older Gulfstream pilots did not show your friend respect? Now, if so, they were wrong.
What I found curious about some airline captains is they are in a cocoon on many issues. I remember when the airspace designations changed in 1992-'93. I talked to one and he could have cared less. Maybe it was my flight instructing me, but changing airspace designations seems rather significant. Many airline captains haven't a clue, sometimes, about aviation issues that are outside of their own little worlds.
Really??!!?? I would think that they would have other, more important, things to think about than waiting for the day for an ex-Gulfstreamer to grace their cockpit.
When people come on the board asking for advice and I give it, I always wish them luck with their decision. One thing I learned about this business, and especially when making important, life-altering decisions, is so much of it is based on incomplete, or inaccurate, or undocumented information. Or rumors, especially. Or opinions. Absent objective information, you can only gather as much information as possible, gather as many opinions as possible, try to ferret out a consensus, consider it carefully, and make your decision. In aviation, you can make a career decision and it will probably be wrong. So, luck is needed. Some people have decided on Gulfstream. There is no way to know if they went through this kind of decision-making process or if some salesman swayed them and preyed upon their impatience. Having said all that, I wish them luck with their decisions. And, once again, to thine ownself be true.
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This is very true, many will deny that they paid until they are caught in thier own lie. I see no merit for anyone trying to hide that they paid. When asked if I paid to get in at GIA, I and others like CRJ200FO do tell the truth.
What kind of sacrifices? Long hours, crappy pay, endless studying. Those are sacrifices my friend. You are correct that being invited is a privilege, but that goes only so far as hard work is the only thing that will get you the rest of the way home.
Yes, he was presented with an awesome opportunity. And many did not appreciate his effort. A situation I myself am also in now.
How true that is Bobby. It was only later on after I made my descision, that I realized how sheltered they were to the major issues surrounding aviation. Outside of Union politics and scope issues, they were blind to issues that face the pilots of smaller national and regional airlines. Like I said, if a little better educated, I may have chose a different path.
One may hope so, but if you look at some of the past posts on PFT people go as far as saying just that. "I can't wait to get a GIA resume on my desk so I can shred it." It is that childish attitude that I am referring to. If people wish to discuss it with an good attitude like yourself and FalconCapt have, I would share a beer (or root beer I guess...
) with you anytime and discuss aviation issues.-03M
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9103M, you say RJFO earned his job under his own merit. Funny. he bought his job at GIFS(Since they arent really an airline, according to you guys) and this b/c of the aggreement with Pinnacle his is there now. Make no mistake about it, he is not there because he is the best darn 800 hour pilot out there.
How can you been so ok with yourself when you are screwing fellow aviators because you dont want to work your way through the system.
The reason your friends that are UAL capt dont care, is b/c what you dont doesnt effect them! thats not hard to figure out. If your number one at XXXMainline airline, what else do you have to worry about! Who you and CRJFO are screwing are the people who are furloughed and cant get a job anywhere b.c they are taking by people willing to pay for jobs. How can you have such a good conscience?
How can you been so ok with yourself when you are screwing fellow aviators because you dont want to work your way through the system.
The reason your friends that are UAL capt dont care, is b/c what you dont doesnt effect them! thats not hard to figure out. If your number one at XXXMainline airline, what else do you have to worry about! Who you and CRJFO are screwing are the people who are furloughed and cant get a job anywhere b.c they are taking by people willing to pay for jobs. How can you have such a good conscience?
KingAirer,
Funny how we butt heads again. You are missing the entire point. CRJ200FO did earn his job. Pinnacle's Chief Pilot and head of recruiting did his interview and chose him to come to thier airline. The fact that he "bought" 250 hours of 1900 time I know for a fact was not the deciding factor. He is an excellent talented pilot who earned his job through the same dang interview available to off the street guys. What you keep failing to understand is that nor I or CRJFO will just sit there and take your comments and go "Geez....I'm such an a$$hole for going to Gulfstream." If you make a descision in your life even an uneducated one, you better be able to stand up for it no matter what the consequenses. And that is what we are doing. Other people on this board can make educated comments, but you seem bent on trashing those who decided to PFT. Get a life.
If it makes you feel any better, I finished my 250 and Colgan dosen't return my calls. You want to be in my shoes? You Think I feel really dang good about my descision right now? Ponder that for awhile. Go take cheap shots at another pilot group.
What should he or I do? Bow down to your obviously superior flying skills and say "Please take my job....I am not worthy! I paid for training!" "He is the superior 800-hour pilot!" Gimme a break.
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Funny how we butt heads again. You are missing the entire point. CRJ200FO did earn his job. Pinnacle's Chief Pilot and head of recruiting did his interview and chose him to come to thier airline. The fact that he "bought" 250 hours of 1900 time I know for a fact was not the deciding factor. He is an excellent talented pilot who earned his job through the same dang interview available to off the street guys. What you keep failing to understand is that nor I or CRJFO will just sit there and take your comments and go "Geez....I'm such an a$$hole for going to Gulfstream." If you make a descision in your life even an uneducated one, you better be able to stand up for it no matter what the consequenses. And that is what we are doing. Other people on this board can make educated comments, but you seem bent on trashing those who decided to PFT. Get a life.
If it makes you feel any better, I finished my 250 and Colgan dosen't return my calls. You want to be in my shoes? You Think I feel really dang good about my descision right now? Ponder that for awhile. Go take cheap shots at another pilot group.
What should he or I do? Bow down to your obviously superior flying skills and say "Please take my job....I am not worthy! I paid for training!" "He is the superior 800-hour pilot!" Gimme a break.
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Yes you noticed that we probaly don't have our degrees. Which is true. But both of us are taking extended campus classes while we are flying. I know that time in the logbook looks good, but getting my degree is very important to me. I know I will need one to progress further in the industry. I plan to hopefully have mine finished right before my 23rd birthday.
Geez- y'all don't miss a beat do ya? 
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Yes you noticed that we probaly don't have our degrees. Which is true. But both of us are taking extended campus classes while we are flying. I know that time in the logbook looks good, but getting my degree is very important to me. I know I will need one to progress further in the industry. I plan to hopefully have mine finished right before my 23rd birthday.
Geez- y'all don't miss a beat do ya?
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End of the line at 250 (P-F-T) Hours?
And, therein, lies the rub.
I believe that so many people opt for P-F-T because they feel that they will get a leg up on the rest of us poor schmoos who toil to build hours.
Once more, part of the P-F-T analysis must include whether you'll really come out ahead after you do your 250 hour hitch. Let's say you start at Gulfstream as an ab initio student. At the end you might come out with maybe 900 hours. Sure, 250 of those hours are 121 "time." But, you're still far below the mins for most commuters - even such places as SkyWest and Mesa, who require (have required) 1000 total and 100 of multi. I understand that most commuters now require 1200 total and 200 of multi (compare that to twelve years ago when most required 1500 total-500 multi and an ATP).
In any event, although you have this excellent 121 SIC time, you must still build hours to meet normal mins. So, how are you going to do that?? Circle back around and get your CFI?? I recall reading one ex-Gulfstream poster who said the school took him back after he did his hitch. Can you count on that? I wouldn't. In the meantime, you may have to do non-121 flying for a year to build your time. And, your 121 recency will perish.
Just another point to consider.
And, sure, Mr. N9103M, I'll have a (diet root) beer with you, anytime. I greatly appreciate your comment about how sheltered many airline captains are.
I absolutely second Falcon Capt.'s recommendation about getting the degree. No matter if you claw your way up or P-F-T, your chances at the next level will improve greatly if you have the degree. Take a look at the typical major airline app. It makes a big deal about the degree. I remember the old United blacken-the-ovals form. It made a big deal about the degree.
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And, therein, lies the rub.
I believe that so many people opt for P-F-T because they feel that they will get a leg up on the rest of us poor schmoos who toil to build hours.
Once more, part of the P-F-T analysis must include whether you'll really come out ahead after you do your 250 hour hitch. Let's say you start at Gulfstream as an ab initio student. At the end you might come out with maybe 900 hours. Sure, 250 of those hours are 121 "time." But, you're still far below the mins for most commuters - even such places as SkyWest and Mesa, who require (have required) 1000 total and 100 of multi. I understand that most commuters now require 1200 total and 200 of multi (compare that to twelve years ago when most required 1500 total-500 multi and an ATP).
In any event, although you have this excellent 121 SIC time, you must still build hours to meet normal mins. So, how are you going to do that?? Circle back around and get your CFI?? I recall reading one ex-Gulfstream poster who said the school took him back after he did his hitch. Can you count on that? I wouldn't. In the meantime, you may have to do non-121 flying for a year to build your time. And, your 121 recency will perish.
Just another point to consider.
And, sure, Mr. N9103M, I'll have a (diet root) beer with you, anytime. I greatly appreciate your comment about how sheltered many airline captains are.
I absolutely second Falcon Capt.'s recommendation about getting the degree. No matter if you claw your way up or P-F-T, your chances at the next level will improve greatly if you have the degree. Take a look at the typical major airline app. It makes a big deal about the degree. I remember the old United blacken-the-ovals form. It made a big deal about the degree.
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