Is Delta a PFT outfit?

[Flyer1015]

Huh? That seems to counter what you are actually doing. Instead you fly a terror tube trash can for low cash.

That's not my fault. The landscape of this industry had already been set by the time I entered. It's not my fault predecessors sold out RJs and let regionals expand exponentially. Hey, sure I could send an application to Delta with a wet Commercial-M/E and 250 hours. But then I would get the "denied" email. Only way to get there is the regionals, and we know how regionals are. Their pay, benefits, and the industry in general is something I entered into with the landscape already set before me. The military option is out of question due to horrible uncorrected eyesight. So. Delta won't hire just a CFI with no turbine time. I can't do military cause of medical (eyes). What's left? Cancelled check flying will be a thing of the past, and I'm not gonna risk my life flying for some dangerous operator during the night. Only safe and viable option are the regionals.

Fact is if Delta hired you and put you in a 757/67 you'd be glowing too. Let a guy be happy and not get down on him to mask your unhappiness.

I'd be glowing, but I'm not gonna brag about this airplane or how it flies to someone else. Instead, I'd rather spend the time trying to do what I could do help a guy land an interview. I don't care about how the 757 needs full spoilers and idle power to have any hopes of getting down quick. I do care about "hey, here are some tips for the Delta interview........" type talks.

Do you not talk while on a jumpseat? When you are asked about the RJ by the Capt while on that jump, do you mumble "I don't want to talk about it"? No wonder you are so negative about Delta or other legacies, you don't think you would pass an interview due to personality alone! What a pill!

I do talk on the jumpseat, and if they ask about the RJ, I'll answer them. But I wont initiate a conversation talking about the RJ. I will talk about planes if they ask. Otherwise, in the jumpseat, I'd rather get the down-low on your airline. My questions are typically, are ya hiring? How's it look? What do you think? Should I apply? Do you think I'd be competitive? etc. etc. etc.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Can't win with flyer1015.

I'm gonna go back to selling scope and being an arrogant mainline pilot that can't do anything right, because he does everything right.

 

[Flyer1015]

Can't win with flyer1015.

I'm gonna go back to selling scope and being an arrogant mainline pilot that can't do anything right, because he does everything right.

Is there anything wrong with what I'm saying. I really have zero interest in wanting to hear a 26 year old Delta kid flying a 767 and how he gets a kick out of it.

 

[Mamma]

Or maybe it is because pilot's don't accept it, if there is one thing that I have learned working abroad is that pilots are not so willing to bend over as we are in the U.S.

What remedy to pilots at Emirates, Cathay Pacific or Qatari Airways have besides leaving when management bends them over? I hear many at Emirates are not too happy with management but due to unions being illegal, cannot do much except leave.

 

[PuffDriver]

My questions are typically, are ya hiring? How's it look? What do you think? Should I apply? Do you think I'd be competitive? etc. etc. etc.

I'll save you some time. No we are not hiring. it looks good. No, you should not apply. It doesn't matter if you would be competitive. You sit in my right seat with that attitude, and I'll have you pulled off the trip.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

OK, what's the MMPI?
KBB

 

[ACL65PILOT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

 

[Flyer1015]

It's a BS test that asks a bunch of BS questions with no relevance to flying/being an airline pilot whatsoever. Plenty a good people have been washed out on this test and the subsequent visit to the shrink. Your very own PeanuckleCRJ (and I) both know a very well rounded individual who got denied at Delta after the conditional offer due to this BS.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

Oh, The Psyche exam, or the "Psycho Exam"...The same one that the so called professional who did all the evaluations at DAL a few years ago committed suicide, Thanks for the clarification!
KBB

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

It's a BS test that asks a bunch of BS questions with no relevance to flying/being an airline pilot whatsoever. Plenty a good people have been washed out on this test and the subsequent visit to the shrink. Your very own PeanuckleCRJ (and I) both know a very well rounded individual who got denied at Delta after the conditional offer due to this BS.

No test is perfect. Its just another hoop to jump through, and a number of airlines have required the MMPI.

What happened to him sucked, but it's also weeded out many others that should have been. A few have gotten through that shouldn't have either. Every test will be like that.

I hear it was tweaked this last around anyways, which skewed the results.

Not very many wash out on the psych that make it that far in the interview anyways. Looking back on it, the most common theme amongst the ones that i know (sans the guy this latest round- dont know if he has this) is an anger issue.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

What remedy to pilots at Emirates, Cathay Pacific or Qatari Airways have besides leaving when management bends them over? I hear many at Emirates are not too happy with management but due to unions being illegal, cannot do much except leave.

Yeah you are right, I'm sure that the salaries at BA, Lufthansa, Air France (to name a few) are because of supply/demand issues and they want to retain people You can make all the excuses you can come up with, I've heard them all and then some but at the end of the day we in the US are the lowest paid aviation professionals of all the industrialized nations and even many third world emerging markets. And the largest airline in the world not paying for a hotel for their new hires can be described in just one word PATHETIC!uke:

 

[Scope out RJ's]

And the largest airline in the world not paying for a hotel for their new hires can be described in just one word PATHETIC!uke:

And what word would you use to describe airlines like Gulfstream, Comair, ASA, CAL express, just to name a few, that used to make employees pay for the privilege of working there?
Notice I didn't use SWA?

 

[waveflyer]

And what word would you use to describe airlines like Gulfstream, Comair, ASA, CAL express, just to name a few, that used to make employees pay for the privilege of working there?
Notice I didn't use SWA?

"pathetic" works as well. We've often allowed airlines and the senior folks to take advantage of us.

The most shameful of all the majors though is easily Continental's no health insurance for 6 months- every continental pilot on the propert should be ashamed of that combined with the devastatingly low pay. They may as well be PFT with as much out of pocket expenses that a probate will have to come up with.
Just like Swa offering better 1st year pay and 2nd year rates to extra fly- makes up for the type- I easily see the point when DAL offers good benefits day 1, and a better pay rate than any other legacy- the hotel/crash pad expense doesn't seem like much.

But continental?
I've asked many many times- why do you let that go on?
The senior 2000 pilots could donate a minuscule amount and not put their new hires through that- it may be the company's responsibility- but you shouldn't let it happen if they refuse-
Or don't call yourself a union

 

[NEDude]

OR, the Southwest plan and pay for your entire type rating before you can start class....unless you had it before or the military card you play.

Each airline has something it seems, not bashing the Southwest thing at all...if you have to "buy" the type to get someone to hire you then at least you have that option. :laugh:

I know several SWA guys who had Continental Airlines pay for their 737 type rating...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

"pathetic" works as well. We've often allowed airlines and the senior folks to take advantage of us.

The most shameful of all the majors though is easily Continental's no health insurance for 6 months- every continental pilot on the propert should be ashamed of that combined with the devastatingly low pay. They may as well be PFT with as much out of pocket expenses that a probate will have to come up with.
Just like Swa offering better 1st year pay and 2nd year rates to extra fly- makes up for the type- I easily see the point when DAL offers good benefits day 1, and a better pay rate than any other legacy- the hotel/crash pad expense doesn't seem like much.

But continental?
I've asked many many times- why do you let that go on?
The senior 2000 pilots could donate a minuscule amount and not put their new hires through that- it may be the company's responsibility- but you shouldn't let it happen if they refuse-
Or don't call yourself a union

Hi waveflyer:
You're right.
And to the origional poster, MCDU.
If you are not paying for any of your training, then it is not a pay for training company. If you want to be technical about it. It's pfl.....Pay for lodging.
I agree that southwest is not a pay for training company as well.

Cheers