Is Delta a PFT outfit?

[waveflyer]

Up until 2006- there wasn't a dci jet with more than 70 seats...
So I believe optimistically that you're right- but if history is any indicator I ought to be more skeptical-
DAL is the greatest airline in the world- and the largest- what DALPA does affects us all

 

[Flyer1015]

The 07-08 round it seemed to work just fine.

The test "range" was apparently tweaked this last round, causing a couple good guys that we both know to get nuked.

The head of hiring has since been replaced.

No it didn't. I've had 3 2007 hirees at Delta in the j/s, and they all turned out to be asses. And one guy couldn't stop talking about how "nice" the 767 was compared to the CRJ. Apparently hired at ASA in 2000, upgraded 4.5 years later, and then CA on CRJ for another 3 years, hired at Delta in 2007. Not sure at what point he thought I cared, but he shared away. I frankly don't care how a CRJ flies or a 767 flies. All I got off from his was ego, ego, and more ego.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

No it didn't. I've had 3 2007 hirees at Delta in the j/s, and they all turned out to be asses. And one guy couldn't stop talking about how "nice" the 767 was compared to the CRJ. Apparently hired at ASA in 2000, upgraded 4.5 years later, and then CA on CRJ for another 3 years, hired at Delta in 2007. Not sure at what point he thought I cared, but he shared away. I frankly don't care how a CRJ flies or a 767 flies. All I got off from his was ego, ego, and more ego.

Aw, grumpy bear. Need a hug? Is your jealousy and anger surfacing again?

 

[johnsonrod]

No it didn't. I've had 3 2007 hirees at Delta in the j/s, and they all turned out to be asses. And one guy couldn't stop talking about how "nice" the 767 was compared to the CRJ. Apparently hired at ASA in 2000, upgraded 4.5 years later, and then CA on CRJ for another 3 years, hired at Delta in 2007. Not sure at what point he thought I cared, but he shared away. I frankly don't care how a CRJ flies or a 767 flies. All I got off from his was ego, ego, and more ego.

You don't like it when other people are happy? He was obviously overjoyed with his situation, and I would be too in his situation. Maybe guys like you don't think you can leave your own situation, but I want out and want a better overall life. If he wasn't slamming the RJ, then he was just sharing his joy, which many don't have these days. Ego or happiness? Your own lack of happiness made it sound like ego.

 

[waveflyer]

+1 JR
people are all kinds of things- esp pilots
What's telling is the reaction-
If you're a pilot and worried about ego- it might be a long career...

 

[Flyer1015]

Aw, grumpy bear. Need a hug? Is your jealousy and anger surfacing again?

No, just calling out FNGs at Delta like they are.

You don't like it when other people are happy? He was obviously overjoyed with his situation, and I would be too in his situation. Maybe guys like you don't think you can leave your own situation, but I want out and want a better overall life. If he wasn't slamming the RJ, then he was just sharing his joy, which many don't have these days. Ego or happiness? Your own lack of happiness made it sound like ego.

I know the difference between happiness and ego, and if you there the *whole* time, you would have seen ego. And he did slam the RJs. How their proliferation is "hurting" Delta. And that's after he shared the fact he did over 7 years at ASA. People like him (and peanuckle) easily forget where they came from and what they flew. They had no problem accepting employment at their RJ regional to eventually get to Delta. If they slam it so bad, then why take the job at the regional? Cause for a civvy, that's the only path if you want to get to a legacy. I'm in the same boat, but I won't be slamming RJs once I do get to a legacy.

 

[Mamma]

How can any of us not agree with what Dumb Pilot said, above? I'm also amazed at the apologetic, defensiveness of so many pilots when these companies fail to provide all the essential things for newhire training. And, yes, accomodation is essential. If the company wants you well-rested and free from worries, they should provide suitable accomodation. And, it's not like you can live at home during training—you've got to relocate to their training center. It is the company's burden—not the newhire's.

A cousin of mine is a doctor with three years experience. A hospital in Iowa just hired him and is providing him with a $15,000 signing bonus, a pay raise from his current hospital, $500 per month living expenses for six months, and they're paying-off his student loans!!! The only thing they're not doing is buying his existing house in Illinois.

So, explain how any of us can justify that certain professions take care of their newhires, while the piloting profession routinely takes a dump on them? Thankfully, certain carriers like Southwest know how to take care of their newhires.

I don't think they do it to be nice. One, these kind of deals are retention perks. Two, if there was a line of doctors standing trying to get hired in this Iowa hospital, your cousin would probably not get the deal he got. Even more so if 2/3 of the line was willing to work for food stamp wages just to get in the door. Supply and demand. Pilots, for the most part leave their professionalism on the flight deck. Outside the flight deck, many are far from professionals. They are short sighted; all about themselves at the expense of others; greedy; easily manipulated by management; many will fly for peanuts if it means getting their foot in the door...will undercut and drag the entire industry down to get in that big shiny jet. There are many other examples that show us collectively as nothing more than blue collar prima donnas. I would have a field day if I was management.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

No, just calling out FNGs at Delta like they are.


I know the difference between happiness and ego, and if you there the *whole* time, you would have seen ego. And he did slam the RJs. How their proliferation is "hurting" Delta. And that's after he shared the fact he did over 7 years at ASA. People like him (and peanuckle) easily forget where they came from and what they flew. They had no problem accepting employment at their RJ regional to eventually get to Delta. If they slam it so bad, then why take the job at the regional? Cause for a civvy, that's the only path if you want to get to a legacy. I'm in the same boat, but I won't be slamming RJs once I do get to a legacy.

Those FNG's at DL have a lot more time in the airlines than you....

The 757/767 was an absolute blast to fly. I know you can't understand it because you haven't flown it, but I was glowing everytime I stepped in that cockpit. It is everything that an airliner should be from a pilot perspective. I know anytime someone asked me about it I certainly couldn't hold it in.

Typical cockpit conversation will circle back to how an airplane is to fly... I'm not sure if you're a pilot or not but we tend to talk about that a decent amount. Or are you one of those that is too cool to talk about airplanes? Over 7000 hours now and I'm still perfectly happy sitting in the terminal watching airplanes.

The proliferation of RJ's IS hurting my career and yours, too.

Do you really think I was serious on the regionals forum about that scope stuff and making more money being all there is in life? Despite all my other posts and PMs to the contrary? I couldn't believe you bit into those so easy. I was just giving you what you wanted to hear, dummy. Are you really that dense? CRJ is in my freaking screen name! Of course I remember where I came from, and I'm helping as many guys that I can get out of outsourced hell and get to a great career.

A couple more of these and I'll be forced to enter back into troll mode...

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I don't think they do it to be nice. One, these kind of deals are retention perks.

Or maybe it is because pilot's don't accept it, if there is one thing that I have learned working abroad is that pilots are not so willing to bend over as we are in the U.S.

 

[waveflyer]

No, just calling out FNGs at Delta like they are.


I know the difference between happiness and ego, and if you there the *whole* time, you would have seen ego. And he did slam the RJs. How their proliferation is "hurting" Delta. And that's after he shared the fact he did over 7 years at ASA. People like him (and peanuckle) easily forget where they came from and what they flew. They had no problem accepting employment at their RJ regional to eventually get to Delta. If they slam it so bad, then why take the job at the regional? Cause for a civvy, that's the only path if you want to get to a legacy. I'm in the same boat, but I won't be slamming RJs once I do get to a legacy.

One civvie to another- I trash the 200. Its just kind of a sh/tty performing jet. The 700 except for no AT/Vnav is a great plane- neither of which takes away from my belief that the majors should be flying them.

Don't confuse opinions on RJs with opinions on outsourcing with opinions on you.
It's one of the 4 agreements- don't take anything personally.

 

[Mamma]

Or maybe it is because pilot's don't accept it, if there is one thing that I have learned working abroad is that pilots are not so willing to bend over as we are in the U.S.

What is the supply and demand abroad? Why does Emirates, Cathay Pacific and a host of others have to go all around the world to find pilots? Hint: not many people with the experience to fly big jets live in the Middle East or Asia. And, not as many want to live in the Middle East, China or India. Sure as hell are not going to do it for food stamp wages either. Here in the US, it is a different story. Too much supply and too much "I want it now and I don't care what I have to do or what I have to sacrifice to get it." Oh, and the senior pilots selling out the junior guys does nothing to reverse this downward cultural spiral.

 

[Flyer1015]

Those FNG's at DL have a lot more time in the airlines than you....

Completely untrue. Many new Delta pilots are military pilots with zero time at airlines. There also the 'minority' and female candidates that have gotten hired as FOs with 2000-3000TT.

The 757/767 was an absolute blast to fly. I know you can't understand it because you haven't flown it, but I was glowing everytime I stepped in that cockpit. It is everything that an airliner should be from a pilot perspective. I know anytime someone asked me about it I certainly couldn't hold it in.

wtf? Are you having sex or flying a 757? Don't tell me you're one of those "it's way better than sex!" type nerds. Personally, I couldn't give two sh*** about what I fly. I'll fly a Pterodactyl if the pay is good.

Typical cockpit conversation will circle back to how an airplane is to fly... I'm not sure if you're a pilot or not but we tend to talk about that a decent amount. Or are you one of those that is too cool to talk about airplanes? Over 7000 hours now and I'm still perfectly happy sitting in the terminal watching airplanes.

I'd rather not talk about airplanes when I'm at work. Especially if we're already flying the same type. I'm more of a talk about family/hobbies type guy. I don't care about what mind-blowing orgasm you have when that crotch rocket 757 blasts of Rwy 4 at LaGuardia. I do care when there are similar interests as I have (like hunting, fishing, investing, etc).

The proliferation of RJ's IS hurting my career and yours, too.

Do you really think I was serious on the regionals forum about that scope stuff and making more money being all there is in life? Despite all my other posts and PMs to the contrary? I couldn't believe you bit into those so easy. I was just giving you what you wanted to hear, dummy. Are you really that dense? CRJ is in my freaking screen name! Of course I remember where I came from, and I'm helping as many guys that I can get out of outsourced hell and get to a great career.

A couple more of these and I'll be forced to enter back into troll mode...

I don't know who was serious or not. You can troll all you want. As for the RJs hurting careers, it's narrow-minded Delta pilots (like the one you became when you supposedly trolled) who are responsible for outsourcing these jets. They had the chance to take it in-house, but they sold out.

 

[johnsonrod]

1015, something tells me you like being a captain, and wouldn't fit in well at any legacy. At your current job in the left seat, you control the tone and content of any conversation in the cockpit. You try that as an FO with a Legacy Captain talking, and he would tell you to shut it and let him finish probably. Do you not talk while on a jumpseat? When you are asked about the RJ by the Capt while on that jump, do you mumble "I don't want to talk about it"? No wonder you are so negative about Delta or other legacies, you don't think you would pass an interview due to personality alone! What a pill!

 

[Dumb Pilot]

What is the supply and demand abroad?

What is the supply and demand in Europe? China, India and the Middle East are emerging aviation markets that in the past few years have exploded with job opportunities. The highest salaries world wide are not in China and the Middle east, they are in markets that are as competitive than the market in the U.S and have as much if not more supply of pilots but they are not as convinced as you are that if you don't work for half of what all other industrialized nations pilots work for, the company will go under. So convinced in fact that here we have several pages of people justifying that the largest airline in the world doesn't even supply a hotel during training when even their regional partners do????

too much "I want it now and I don't care what I have to do or what I have to sacrifice to get it." Oh, and the senior pilots selling out the junior guys does nothing to reverse this downward cultural spiral.

Now you are getting to the root cause of it all

PS: Before somebody comes up with the excuse that they need the higher salaries because it is cheaper to live in the U.S. Please don't, the fact that it is cheaper to live in the corner of "WWF smack down" ave. and "Boy you got a pretty mouth" st. is just another invalid justification in my view because there are a lot of places outside of the metropolitan areas of the E.U. where you can find very affordable housing. You can go to the parking lot at LAX that has become a trailer park of airline workers and tell them how cheap it is to live in the U.S. I don't buy it

 

[clippyrip]

Personally, I couldn't give two sh*** about what I fly. I'll fly a Pterodactyl if the pay is good.

Huh? That seems to counter what you are actually doing. Instead you fly a terror tube trash can for low cash.

Fact is if Delta hired you and put you in a 757/67 you'd be glowing too. Let a guy be happy and not get down on him to mask your unhappiness.

 

[Flyer1015]

Huh? That seems to counter what you are actually doing. Instead you fly a terror tube trash can for low cash.

That's not my fault. The landscape of this industry had already been set by the time I entered. It's not my fault predecessors sold out RJs and let regionals expand exponentially. Hey, sure I could send an application to Delta with a wet Commercial-M/E and 250 hours. But then I would get the "denied" email. Only way to get there is the regionals, and we know how regionals are. Their pay, benefits, and the industry in general is something I entered into with the landscape already set before me. The military option is out of question due to horrible uncorrected eyesight. So. Delta won't hire just a CFI with no turbine time. I can't do military cause of medical (eyes). What's left? Cancelled check flying will be a thing of the past, and I'm not gonna risk my life flying for some dangerous operator during the night. Only safe and viable option are the regionals.

Fact is if Delta hired you and put you in a 757/67 you'd be glowing too. Let a guy be happy and not get down on him to mask your unhappiness.

I'd be glowing, but I'm not gonna brag about this airplane or how it flies to someone else. Instead, I'd rather spend the time trying to do what I could do help a guy land an interview. I don't care about how the 757 needs full spoilers and idle power to have any hopes of getting down quick. I do care about "hey, here are some tips for the Delta interview........" type talks.

Do you not talk while on a jumpseat? When you are asked about the RJ by the Capt while on that jump, do you mumble "I don't want to talk about it"? No wonder you are so negative about Delta or other legacies, you don't think you would pass an interview due to personality alone! What a pill!

I do talk on the jumpseat, and if they ask about the RJ, I'll answer them. But I wont initiate a conversation talking about the RJ. I will talk about planes if they ask. Otherwise, in the jumpseat, I'd rather get the down-low on your airline. My questions are typically, are ya hiring? How's it look? What do you think? Should I apply? Do you think I'd be competitive? etc. etc. etc.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Can't win with flyer1015.

I'm gonna go back to selling scope and being an arrogant mainline pilot that can't do anything right, because he does everything right.

 

[Flyer1015]

Can't win with flyer1015.

I'm gonna go back to selling scope and being an arrogant mainline pilot that can't do anything right, because he does everything right.

Is there anything wrong with what I'm saying. I really have zero interest in wanting to hear a 26 year old Delta kid flying a 767 and how he gets a kick out of it.

 

[Mamma]

Or maybe it is because pilot's don't accept it, if there is one thing that I have learned working abroad is that pilots are not so willing to bend over as we are in the U.S.

What remedy to pilots at Emirates, Cathay Pacific or Qatari Airways have besides leaving when management bends them over? I hear many at Emirates are not too happy with management but due to unions being illegal, cannot do much except leave.

 

[PuffDriver]

My questions are typically, are ya hiring? How's it look? What do you think? Should I apply? Do you think I'd be competitive? etc. etc. etc.

I'll save you some time. No we are not hiring. it looks good. No, you should not apply. It doesn't matter if you would be competitive. You sit in my right seat with that attitude, and I'll have you pulled off the trip.