Is Delta a PFT outfit?

[JohnQ]

I am confused. Does Delta not pay for hotel during new-hire training?

They do provide a hotel for the first couple of weeks, then it is on your own.

Is that BS? Of course it is. Should a world-class company expect new hire trainees to foot the bill for their own lodging while in mandatory training? I think we all would state "no."

Nevertheless, that is how it is. It is actually better than in earlier years where you had to find a place to stay at your own expense from day one of new hire training. At least now you get a hotel for a couple of weeks, which not only saves you a little $$ but also gives you a little time to find a "less bad" crashpad than you might otherwise have.

Bottom line is that new hires unfortunately have to suck it up on the lodging front; after probation is over, hopefully they can suggest to DAL that "hey we can do better than THAT."

I wonder what the rules are for other carriers?

 

[Full of LUV]

New to me, but from the sound of it-------NO.

They consider everyone Atl based until off to ioe at your base. It's worse they even withhold ga state income tax that you have to file with at the end of the year to get back no matter where you live during initial training.

 

[waveflyer]

Why would you wonder what other airlines do?
Most regionals pay for a hotel- my old check hauling outfit paid for a spot-
I'm sure there's a muddle mgr somewhere with a nice kitchen remodel after coming up with that.

DALPA has proven they will stretch the junior out as thin as possible if it puts a nickel in a senior guy's pocket

World class sellouts

 

[MILPILOT17]

They do provide a hotel for the first couple of weeks, then it is on your own.

Is that BS? Of course it is. Should a world-class company expect new hire trainees to foot the bill for their own lodging while in mandatory training? I think we all would state "no."

Nevertheless, that is how it is. It is actually better than in earlier years where you had to find a place to stay at your own expense from day one of new hire training. At least now you get a hotel for a couple of weeks, which not only saves you a little $$ but also gives you a little time to find a "less bad" crashpad than you might otherwise have.

Bottom line is that new hires unfortunately have to suck it up on the lodging front; after probation is over, hopefully they can suggest to DAL that "hey we can do better than THAT."

I wonder what the rules are for other carriers?

SWA pays for the hotel the entire training period; no Tx income taxes withheld, unless of course you are a Tx resident. If I remember correctly they also pay for a hotel on the front and back side of your IOE, but don't quote me on that one.

 

[GogglesPisano]

How much is that 737 type?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Yeah Wave,

What did your parents shell out for your type rating?? Just askin'

 

[Mike man]

SWA pays for the hotel the entire training period; no Tx income taxes withheld, unless of course you are a Tx resident. If I remember correctly they also pay for a hotel on the front and back side of your IOE, but don't quote me on that one.

Of course since Texas does not have a state income tax...some one might frown on that. But back to the point...Delta expects a new hire to pay for their own hotel during sim? How does the anniversary pay raise thing work now, do you get your 2nd year raise on your anniversary date or do you have to add a few months from when all in your class has completed training and IOE during new hire training? How does that 401(k) matching work for the old NWA guys now?

 

[GogglesPisano]

How does the anniversary pay raise thing work now, do you get your 2nd year raise on your anniversary date or do you have to add a few months from when all in your class has completed training and IOE during new hire training?

You go to Year 2 pay 365 days after your DOH.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Of course since Texas does not have a state income tax...some one might frown on that. But back to the point...Delta expects a new hire to pay for their own hotel during sim? How does the anniversary pay raise thing work now, do you get your 2nd year raise on your anniversary date or do you have to add a few months from when all in your class has completed training and IOE during new hire training? How does that 401(k) matching work for the old NWA guys now?

Excellent point! Thanks for the correction.

 

[MILPILOT17]

How much is that 737 type?

Mine was free. Thanks!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Mine was free. Thanks!

That's great. Glad to hear it. Is it safe to say that situation describes most new-hires at SWA?

 

[MCDU]

It comes down to this. If you have to pay part of your training costs like housing while you are employed, it is pay for training.

M

 

[Dumb Pilot]

It is sad how we have allowed our career to be eroded and disrespected here in the U.S. not even in third world countries and very small outfits worldwide companies would even dream of not providing you with accommodation and transportation during training, but the saddest of all is that some of you are even defending this practice as "business as usual" the industry has exploited 9/11 and the economic downturn so masterfully and for so many years that a new generation of pilots have grown into believing that this is the norm. By some of the responses justifying these practices here I have to say "bravo to management" you have over the years perfected the art of koolaid making

 

[say again]

Did companies make you pay in the "golden years"?

 

[tomgoodman]

The Good Life

Did companies make you pay in the "golden years"?

Yes (DAL - 1979). We rented apartment space in a questionable neighborhood near the airport. But $750 per month was worth a lot more way back then.