Is ATP on crack

[Propsync]

I find it funny that two years ago, regionals were hiring people that could draw an airplane, or make that cool jet engine sound like the airplane in 'Airplane'.

 

[LAFrequentflyer]

They will again - right? Isn't that the cycle. Management at all levels has realized pilots can be made to pay the cost to the extreme.

 

[COOPERVANE]

They will again - right? Isn't that the cycle. Management at all levels has realized pilots can be made to pay the cost to the extreme.

Not for a long time. Too many on the street.

 

[rtmcfi]

hook line and sinker

 

[FlySacto]

Whats wrong with teaching to the standard? Thats all that is needed. I for one would rather not have a CFI teach me more than the mins.

&%#$!

I just got a highly hopped nasal flush. It sounds like you'll be great subject matter in learning from the mistakes of others.

 

[Tarzan]

I did learn stalls. More important, I learned how to avoid them by being a diligent, disciplined pilot.

I agree understanding and correlation come later- experience is vital in any career especially so in aviation.

Many times I found my CFI being too timid in flight. I attributed this to his age / experience as related to me. We are a few years apart. However, I had done quite a bit more in life than he had. He may have been intimidated a bit. It made the experience difficult for both and often I had to take the lead and make important judgement calls.

Dude,
You got yourself a crappy CFI. You tell the story like your older but you have the attitude of a 21 year old.

BTW, you didn't learn stalls nor was the intent to learn how to avoid them. The standard to is learn how to recover. You should get your money back because they didn't even teach you that.

 

[Baronman]

ATP...Has the best ads, and a questionable product. Sure you fly with guys who go there, they'll say it was "all-right." It was all right because it got them the regional job quick. You speed through the program, memorizing gleim books and PTS oral guides. You go with examiners who do the exact same test every time and then you go fly around as "safety pilot" to build hours. Hopefully they go away in this downturn.

 

[undpilot]

I'd much rather fly with an FO who went to ATP as opposed to an FO who got their ratings at an FBO then went to "The Stream" or JetU.

 

[Way2Broke]

Isn't it crazy that with as many airlines hiring as there are (not many) that they still choose to hire those without any real airline experience so that they can pay them bottom dollar because they don't know any better.

 

[jdlilfan]

Isn't it crazy that with as many airlines hiring as there are (not many) that they still choose to hire those without any real airline experience so that they can pay them bottom dollar because they don't know any better.

"Yeah, but dude! I'm flyin a jet!"

Yeah it is crazy and it does bother me somewhat.

 

[ALIMBO]

I'd much rather fly with an FO who went to ATP as opposed to an FO who got their ratings at an FBO then went to "The Stream" or JetU.

What do you mean by Fbo then went to Jetu etc. etc. beacuse, I hope your not knocking local FBO's there can be some shady ones but, I would say you can get some great instruction if you find the right one.

 

[CX880]

ATP...Has the best ads, and a questionable product. Sure you fly with guys who go there, they'll say it was "all-right." It was all right because it got them the regional job quick. You speed through the program, memorizing gleim books and PTS oral guides. You go with examiners who do the exact same test every time and then you go fly around as "safety pilot" to build hours. Hopefully they go away in this downturn.

It's a good thing you're just a recreational pilot sound like a kite is just for you. ATP has been around since 1980s. It's a good bet that 1 out of a handful of the professional pilots you see out there from majors to regionals to cargo to corp came from ATP, including thousands and thousands of military pilots who do their civ stuff there.

Either you're one of the idiots who couldn't make it through the program or you just want to flame bait with your post. ATP students do exactly the same quality of training and better only they do it everyday instead of once every 2 weeks mom and pop students do. CFI check rides are done by the FAA. The fact that the program is only 4 months doesn't mean that it's dumbed down, you basically live and breathe flying during those 4 months. You will have no life other than 8 hours of flying and hours of studying. Does the local mom and pop place put two brand new instrument pilots inside a 350K plane and allow them to fly coast to coast?? ATP is a great program but it's not for those that need hand holding, as is the case at airline training events. ATP is not a mom and pop school, they are focused on airline procedures. If you want to be a bush pilot or want to spend hours learning a subject with a lot of hand holding, ATP is not for you. From day one they tech multi crew concept in flying.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

ATP students do exactly the same quality of training and better only they do it everyday instead of once every 2 weeks mom and pop students do. CFI check rides are done by the FAA. The fact that the program is only 4 months doesn't mean that it's dumbed down, you basically live and breathe flying during those 4 months. You will have no life other than 8 hours of flying and hours of studying. Does the local mom and pop place put two brand new instrument pilots inside a 350K plane and allow them to fly coast to coast?? ATP is a great program but it's not for those that need hand holding, as is the case at airline training events. ATP is not a mom and pop school, they are focused on airline procedures. If you want to be a bush pilot or want to spend hours learning a subject with a lot of hand holding, ATP is not for you. From day one they tech multi crew concept in flying.

Exactly what he said!

Just wish they would kill the ad campaign and crap.

 

[undpilot]

What do you mean by Fbo then went to Jetu etc. etc. beacuse, I hope your not knocking local FBO's there can be some shady ones but, I would say you can get some great instruction if you find the right one.

I am not knocking FBO's. From what I have seen, those that get their commercial and go to JetU, Riddle CAPT, etc. are much weaker FO's than those who have trained at ATP or gone the flight instruction route.

 

[steve3137]

Worked at ATP for a short time. gotta say their training sucks. I think they feel they can give crappy training bacause you are going to stay there a while. They are sending kids up for multi private checkrides with 4 hours in the plane. I have seen it and I have seen the examiner bring in 2 different CFI's to help a student during an oral. That's legal i guess, but the bottom line is one of those 4 hour multi students can go fly their daddy's seminole or duchess and be legal. Can't believe the FAA allows them to do what they do. Greed has no limits.