Is ATP on crack

DX Rick

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PCL and Mesa are the only ones hiring.
Not sure if PCL is anymore, but they were in Nov. Mesaba is hiring too.
 

WMUSIGPI

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Mesaba cancelled all hiring as of a week ago, 12/29.
 

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Really? I remembered talking to Christina Sidwell and she said all interviews were cancelled in August. Seems kinda fishy. Oh and don't mind me. I have nothing else better to do at the moment.
 

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I wish ATP would just go away.

They aren't helping this whole situation.
 

Salukipilot4590

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I wish ATP would just go away.

They aren't helping this whole situation.
Eh I still see a little potential in ATP.

...as long as they drop the "zero to hero" thing and become a real flight school...

Who am I kidding...
 

DYLIN

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Eh I still see a little potential in ATP.

...as long as they drop the "zero to hero" thing and become a real flight school...

Who am I kidding...
I'd agree with that. It runs well, there are just many conflicts of interested with examiners and they barely teach anything at all beyond what the PTS says a student should know.

Most of all I wish they'd quit marketing like they do. Going to 121 with 300, 400, maybe 500 hours is not the norm so stop trying to pretend it still is (that's my message to them, not to you).
 

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I'd agree with that. It runs well, there are just many conflicts of interested with examiners and they barely teach anything at all beyond what the PTS says a student should know.

Most of all I wish they'd quit marketing like they do. Going to 121 with 300, 400, maybe 500 hours is not the norm so stop trying to pretend it still is (that's my message to them, not to you).
I couldn't agree with you more man. I would love for them to drop the "In X hours you can be a MESA/PNCL/TSA/XT/AE FO" crap and start teaching students how to really fly. Training up to PTS standards can only get you killed. At least thats how I taught it.
 

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Not all postings mean that those pilots were hired at the time they posted. A lot of times the alumni forget to post where they ended up.
 

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Whats wrong with teaching to the standard? Thats all that is needed. I for one would rather not have a CFI teach me more than the mins.
 

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Whats wrong with teaching to the standard? Thats all that is needed. I for one would rather not have a CFI teach me more than the mins.
What mins? Competent mins or PTS mins.

Now don't get me wrong...PTS mins are "okay" but I'd much rather teach to the "understanding" level than the rote level. At least thats how I think of it.

Then again what do I know...I only have 200 DG! :p
 

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PTS mins. I'm no CFI, hope to be one, as I see it if one teaches to the PTS mins they have taught 'understanding.' At least when I went thru my PPL that is what I was going for and I believe I achieved it.
 

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PTS mins. I'm no CFI, hope to be one, as I see it if one teaches to the PTS mins they have taught 'understanding.' At least when I went thru my PPL that is what I was going for and I believe I achieved it.
Not really. Teaching basic mins equates to rote. If you're told to do something and you can do it just as demonstrated, you've achieved this. Understanding and correlation come later. There has to be information transferred either from an event or another person to help the understanding so one can correlate. Without this, you're a robot and in a real jam when the proverbial fan is impacted with feces.

I bet you learned stalls. But did you really? And what lessons should have been learned through the process?
 

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I did learn stalls. More important, I learned how to avoid them by being a diligent, disciplined pilot.

I agree understanding and correlation come later- experience is vital in any career especially so in aviation.

Many times I found my CFI being too timid in flight. I attributed this to his age / experience as related to me. We are a few years apart. However, I had done quite a bit more in life than he had. He may have been intimitaded a bit. It made the experience difficult for both and often I had to take the lead and make important judgement calls.
 

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I find it funny that two years ago, regionals were hiring people that could draw an airplane, or make that cool jet engine sound like the airplane in 'Airplane'.
 

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They will again - right? Isn't that the cycle. Management at all levels has realized pilots can be made to pay the cost to the extreme.
 

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They will again - right? Isn't that the cycle. Management at all levels has realized pilots can be made to pay the cost to the extreme.
Not for a long time. Too many on the street.
 

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Whats wrong with teaching to the standard? Thats all that is needed. I for one would rather not have a CFI teach me more than the mins.
&%#$!

I just got a highly hopped nasal flush. It sounds like you'll be great subject matter in learning from the mistakes of others.
 
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