Integrating AAI into SWA

[Cometman]

Your right they will look at facts........Fact 1 they use other SLIs as precedent and those other decisions are all decided on relative seniority and expected career progression.

I do not think there is any precedent for this. I believe MB is new. You start at zero. Besides, lets be realistic. I don't even think Ty Webb thinks he will get relative seniority. Do you really think the number one guy at Airtran that was hired in 1993 will be one number below the top SWA guy that was probably hired in 1974. If you really think that you have some serious problems.

 

[FlyinGuy]

I suggest some counseling for the anger management. Or posting sober

Call your MC and ask them whether they welcome arbitration. Then get back to me.

You might follow your own advice regarding posting. If you think GD Holdings is anything more than an administrative Tool then ..... Go back a word or seven :laugh:

No anger here brother!!! Just commenting on how you seem to have inside information on what our NC wants and on how our pilot group is going to vote. I guess that is why this is the notorious FI. Just post what you deem/want to be factual......then it is!! Just ask Ty, he does this very well.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah, ol' Ty's the bad guy. Ty controls all. . . .

 

[MCDU]

I do not think there is any precedent for this. I believe MB is new. You start at zero. Besides, lets be realistic. I don't even think Ty Webb thinks he will get relative seniority. Do you really think the number one guy at Airtran that was hired in 1993 will be one number below the top SWA guy that was probably hired in 1974. If you really think that you have some serious problems.

Well, I guess the USAIR pilots had the same problems. Whats 20 years. It's just relative. Right?

If Southwest pilots have the courage, they would offer DOH to all Valujet pilots, I mean Airtran pilots and protect their capt seats in ATL. And just to be really nice, Southwest should change their callsign since they are keeping The SWA name. New callsign critter ah I mean citrus. That would be swell. Follow Southwest, I mean Citrus.

M

 

[ASADFW7]

SWA pilots have plenty of courage, we now have to go to the party with the fat chick's hairy red headed cousin from Georgia, we have been drinking non stop since September 27th!

 

[ivauir]

Your right they will look at facts........Fact 1 they use other SLIs as precedent and those other decisions are all decided on relative seniority and expected career progression.

Really? You honestly believe that you guys will see a 50 % pay increase AND a 20 year bump in equivalent date of hire? That seems "fair and equitable" to you?

Expected career progression? Be careful with that one: strike vote, attrition to other airlines (including SWA), cash available ...

We can all come out of this deal winners or losers. Try to run up the score and I predict a rough road ahead. Why not simply acknowledge the good times ahead for your group regardless of the SLI outcome.

 

[The Prussian]

Yeah, ol' Ty's the bad guy. Ty controls all. . . .

Just lay down the gun,...and back away slowly... :erm:

 

[cappydd]

IMHO maybe date of hire with a ratio of some sorts!!! There will be fences, but who knows durations. I dont think any AAI pilot is realistically expecting relative senority. Yes, pay raises for all, no matter what seat you may be in.
In the end, we all need to function as ONE!! Lets not be divided as that is the quickest road to a bitter place to work. The bottom line remains that the AAI pilots come to work, and work hard despite the pressures from management, as do the SWA pilots. We have the chance to become a force to be reckoned with, so lets all please work together and not fight amongst ourselves on the issue of integration.

 

[roughneck]

so lets all please work together and not fight amongst ourselves on the issue of integration.

Honest idea. Go to the bottom quietly and lets call it even.

 

[Ty Webb]

IMHO maybe date of hire with a ratio of some sorts!!! There will be fences, but who knows durations. I dont think any AAI pilot is realistically expecting relative senority. Yes, pay raises for all, no matter what seat you may be in.
In the end, we all need to function as ONE!! Lets not be divided as that is the quickest road to a bitter place to work. The bottom line remains that the AAI pilots come to work, and work hard despite the pressures from management, as do the SWA pilots. We have the chance to become a force to be reckoned with, so lets all please work together and not fight amongst ourselves on the issue of integration.

Man, you REALLY have that "FI Newbie" smell. Rico, is that you? :laugh:

ATN-ALPA and SWAPA have both asked their Pilots to not make posts advertising their SLI expectations. You're a junior FO, we get it. Take your low self-esteem elsewhere.

 

[Angus]

Honest idea. Go to the bottom quietly and lets call it even.

LMAO! You are one of the SWA blowhards that is really going to be pissed off when SLI is complete. I will be here to laugh in your face when the time comes.

Keep on blowing your self-righteous, holier-than-thou, better than others, jackwad B.S. It just makes the SWA Pilots look like arrogant fools.

 

[roughneck]

I put a smiley face. I guess an Angus wouldn't get that. Especially a young bull that wants to run down and get a cow. Us older bulls know that it is better to walk down and get them all.

Rush in to quick and to hard and you won't get a lifetime of joy. It's your choice. Careful that you are looking long term. Your future at SWA isn't a sure deal. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth is all I am saying.

 

[Angus]

! The funny thing is, the ones that probably will be are the ones that just hit the career earnings jackpot. Which is just sad .

PW

Career earnings jackpot?? Will YOU.... or better yet will SWA Management GUARANTEE in writing that same "career earnngs jackpot" to EVERY AAI Pilot that you speak of?? That will mean NO FURLOUGHS and GUARANTEED PAY for the career of each AAI Pilot.

Can that be arranged??

If NOT... then all SWA have to offer is SENIORITY. Nothing more... nothig less.

Get over yourselves. Some of the SWA Pilots on Flightinfo are the village idiots speaking about things that they may feel strongly about... but have NO substance when you talk about the aviation industry.

 

[roughneck]

That will mean NO FURLOUGHS and GUARANTEED PAY for the career of each AAI Pilot.

SWA won't promise you no furlough during your career but 38 years of history is a pretty strong indicator that we look after our people. As far as guaranteed pay goes I would say that the chances of a 60% paycut is far fetched. Swa would have to give about that much of a paycut to us before you lost a dollar over what you would have made stand alone.

Argue your points to an arbitrator if you think they will stand up. I don't care to debate with someone that obviously doesn't understand what they fell into here.

 

[Angus]

SWA won't promise you no furlough during your career but 38 years of history is a pretty strong indicator that we look after our people. As far as guaranteed pay goes I would say that the chances of a 60% paycut is far fetched. Swa would have to give about that much of a paycut to us before you lost a dollar over what you would have made stand alone.

Argue your points to an arbitrator if you think they will stand up. I don't care to debate with someone that obviously doesn't understand what they fell into here.

Because YOU feel you won the lottery doesn't mean that everyone that is in this industry feels the same. AAI Pilots didn't "fall" into anything. AAI Pilots helped BUILD a P.O.S. airline into something big enough that the LARGEST domestic Airline in the U.S. was WILLING to BUY.

You bought AAI... now deal with it. Part of that deal will be to INTEGRATE the Pilots into your little fantasyland. That integration is going to really piss off alot of SWA Pilots. That integration is NOT going to be to simply "go to the bottom quietly" as you have stated.... even with your stupid internet geek smiley face.

Don't like it.... call Gary and tell HIM not me or not AAI Pilots. Call your management or STFU...

Gearup "lottery boy".

 

[cappydd]

Man, you REALLY have that "FI Newbie" smell. Rico, is that you? :laugh:

ATN-ALPA and SWAPA have both asked their Pilots to not make posts advertising their SLI expectations. You're a junior FO, we get it. Take your low self-esteem elsewhere.

Has nothing to do with low self-esteem, life is good for me right now and will continue to be just that after this is all over with. Also wasnt advertising MY SLI expectations. Sorry anyone took it that way. And No, not a junior FO by any means.

 

[waveflyer]

On a more even keeled level- Swa had every reason to furlough at least 200 in 2009 and chose not to bc they value us as people and from a business standpoint know that they have us for 30 years- a year salary now equals a career worth of loyalty- believe me- you want to work for this company and the people in it.

Did your company make that same choice? Could you even imagine them making it?

The aggression on either side is dumb and confusing at the same time--- I hope everyone notices this has gone to 15 pages largely through 15 guys who clearly don't get laid enough needing an outlet- most I've met are cautiously happy and excited about the future

 

[Secret Squirrel]

That is why 100% of Airtran wants to come to SWA and 0% wants it the other way.

If you are going to pretend to not be a SWA pilot, you need to proof read your statements better. You are making more and more mistakes.

 

[roughneck]

Angus,
I'm guessing you weren't one of the 1/3 of your pilot group that should up on a random night to say thank you to Swapa for your lottery ticket. Thats OK. You may not say it outloud, but you will appreciate what you may inherit.

 

[Angus]

Angus,
I'm guessing you weren't one of the 1/3 of your pilot group that should up on a random night to say thank you to Swapa for your lottery ticket. Thats OK. You may not say it outloud, but you will appreciate what you may inherit.

SWAPA Leadership is MUCH more bright than you LotteryBoy. They are smart enough to realize that THEY are NOT providing a "lottery ticket" to AAI Pilots. Only YOU and most likely some other SWA Pilots with lower intellect have and will come to that silly self analysis.

I would say THANK YOU to SWAPA for having more class than YOU and several other SWA Pilots on these forums by actually WELCOMING the AAI Pilots, and MEANING it.

Unlike you and others on Flightinfo who keep insisting or better yet INSINUATING that somehow AAI Pilots are lower class Pilots and non-deserving EXCEPT in your "Winning a lottery ticket" scenario.

Get over yourself Spaz. You are an embarrasment to SWAPA, the SWA Pilots, and to other hard working Pilots in this industry as a whole.

You bring NOTHING to the table except seniority.

Gearup LotteryBoy....