Instructor took me up in bad conditions

[darkvw]

yep, you learn the black hole theory real fast

 

[TonyC]

Worse yet, I felt like I had little control over the airplane. The right wing kept dropping for no apparent reason, even though I thought I was holding the yoke neutral. Durring turns, major overbanking.

Obviously, the left wing had already transitioned to the low visibility mode, while the right wing was lagging behind in the high visibility mode. Sometimes you have to do a 180° turn to get both wings in the same mode. (It's best to turn in the direction of the low-vis wing, so in your case a left turn.) I hope you wrote it up after you landed. It could be really dangerous for an inexperienced pilot.




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[Kream926]

I think Kream ment BED TEENIE ENVY IS YOU US. JK

what the hell does that mean

 

[Goose Egg]

Good thread. Sometimes it's a delicate balance for us instructors to give the student a good experience without scaring the crap out of them and scarring them for life. I suppose a lot of it depends on the temperament of the student. I would have eaten that up. Some of my students, however, I think would have quit flying immediately. It's just a judgement call.

Unanswerd, don't worry, you'll get used to flying in more marginal conditions in time. The trick is not to jump in over your head right at first. And this is especially true once you get your rating--there are plenty of times that it's perfectly safe to use an airplane when the weather is poor. It's just that it requires judgement and experience (and perhaps some additional training (IFR). Increase your own judgement by degrees. Not that I'm any good, but after getting some actual instrument time, 6 miles is nothing for me worry about. Try to stay just a little bit out of your comfort zone. Don't stray too far, but always be learning.

And remember that "legal" and "safe" are two completely separate things.

-Goose

 

[UnAnswerd]

Obviously, the left wing had already transitioned to the low visibility mode, while the right wing was lagging behind in the high visibility mode. Sometimes you have to do a 180° turn to get both wings in the same mode. (It's best to turn in the direction of the low-vis wing, so in your case a left turn.) I hope you wrote it up after you landed. It could be really dangerous for an inexperienced pilot.

TonyC,

Thanks for the surpassingly perspicuous reply. For having seen such a prodigious, glorious, and awe-inspiring reflection of your unrivalled ability to brandish your personal transcendence, I am privileged indeed. Finally instilled into my mind, is the lugubrious realization of my mendacious sense of independence from the sagaciousness that comprises ever cell of your body. I feel I must now bow down and commit suicide before your overwhelming presence to show my unadulterated and tremendous regret for having ever considered myself above your level of empyreal preponderance.

 

[1900cpt]

I'm just glad he got to experience the JFK Jr. conditions with a stud CFI like me there to keep him safe.

im not so sure about that shamrock

 

[TonyC]

TonyC,

Thanks for the surpassingly perspicuous reply. For having seen such a prodigious, glorious, and awe-inspiring reflection of your unrivalled ability to brandish your personal transcendence, I am privileged indeed. Finally instilled into my mind, is the lugubrious realization of my mendacious sense of independence from the sagaciousness that comprises ever cell of your body. I feel I must now bow down and commit suicide before your overwhelming presence to show my unadulterated and tremendous regret for having ever considered myself above your level of empyreal preponderance.

The twenty-fourth word of the fourth sentence should have been "every."

Please don't get any blood on the carpet.










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[BD King]

Give your CFI a big thanks.

 

[Kream926]

too many big words, I confused, i not understand

huh, i guess you are better than me

 

[MD11Drvr]

Its all one step at a time. Your Instructor did you a great service. Don't let it sway you in your training although it does not sound like it has. Move right into your Instrument rating if you can and enjoy the real sense of accompishment at the end....

 

[shamrock]

im not so sure about that shamrock

Yeah, I wasn't a very good instructor, but Pete learned his lesson anyway. I didn't really have to teach him anything, I only had to make sure he didn't lose control.

I'll catch up with you tomorrow.

 

[BD King]

Its all one step at a time. Your Instructor did you a great service. Don't let it sway you in your training although it does not sound like it has. Move right into your Instrument rating if you can and enjoy the real sense of accompishment at the end....

Actually, I disagree somewhat. What the instructor did was to allow you to experience your limitations. Knowing your limitations is much more valuable than any rating.........If and when you get your instrument rating, you will have a greater appreciation of your limitations from this (let's be frank) non event.

www.bdkingpress.com

 

[LarryinTN]

I thought, that's twice as much as VFR minimums. How bad could it be???

Remember the reason for VFR visibility minimums. They aren't there to ensure that you have adequate visibility to control the aircraft solely by visual cues. They are there to ensure that you have adequate time to see and avoid and IFR airplanes that might come towards you out of the muck.

As far as the FARs are concerned, 1SM is sufficient visibility for VFR flight. Any airspace which requires more than that is simply for collision avoidance as there may/will be IFR aircraft flying around from which you will want to separate yourself visually.

As others have said, you certainly got your money's worth out of the CFI fees you paid for that flight.

 

[UnAnswerd]

Thanks for the replies. As far as the flight "scaring me" or "swaying my training", definetly not. Personally, I never quite understood the concept of a student getting scared on a dual lesson. My mentality says that the instructor wants to live as much as the next guy, so what reason would a student have to fear anything??? In short, I trust in everything my instructor does, and therefore don't think twice about the saftey of any given activity...

Yes, I will be sure to thank him again for the lesson. It was insightful, and I think obtaining an instrument rating would be very rewarding, in that you may not think twice about cruising through the conditions I experienced, or worse.

 

[YourNameHere]

ATIS was reporting 6 miles visibility.

Keep in mind ATIS reports ground visibility, not flight visibility. Visibility at 3000' could be, and obviously was, something less than 6 miles.