Incoming!

[Pervis]

My response is simply pointing out you are way off in your interpretation of recent events. You may well be right about furloughs, in spite of company and union leadership disagreeing with your assessment. It won't be because we're fat on pilots though. Rather an attempt to make one particular individual look even more frugal and business savy as the big decision looms on replacing Buffett. The question is how big a negative impact this will have on our owners, and how long will it last.

 

[gunfyter]

I don't work for Netjets, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what the letter said. There will be more furloughs as the company is going to outsource as much flying as legally possible. If you are furloughed, you might not get recalled for years (think 10 years plus).

I have come to this conclusion after reading more than one message board. I have put bits and pieces together.

The problem with this theory is the more outsourcing ... the more pilots have to be recalled, not furloughed, per the CBA.

Keep theorizing.

 

[jonjuan]

As much as I work lately, there is no way we could deliver our product with more furloughs. I flew almost 500 hrs last year. Recalls are still a ways off though, as new aircraft are replacements at this point, and I don't see management manning more than contractual requirements at this point. Real growth is still two years away. It takes time to acquire new jets, even with BH support.

The problem with your theory is that you assume your owner base will remain constant or even grow. Aircraft "replacements" will only happen if current and new owners actually buy them. The fractional space is very quickly becoming commoditized, meaning owners are now more likely to buy based on price than ever before. The netjet pricing is still 15-20% more than any other competitive fractional company operating the same product, some of which are significantly subsidized by "company friendly" pilot salaries and benefits.
I think I know what i'm talking about here. I called the global order a few weeks ago.

 

[wacoflyr]

Also, he's got the best looking avatar.

 

[rajflyboy]

and some thought a large order of EMB 145's RJ's were coming to town. You were fooled. This isn't happening.

 

[squonk]

and some thought a large order of EMB 145's RJ's were coming to town. You were fooled. This isn't happening.

Count me as one fooled...

All the tea leaves were pointing in that direction (if you discount the Global at CMH a couple months ago!) and I'd have bet the farm they would have gone that way.

 

[Club ORD FO]

How could Netjets suddenly be a bad place to work? You just placed the largest private jet order in history?

So which is it, sky falling or kicking ass and taking names?

 

[RJ Bum]

How could Netjets suddenly be a bad place to work? You just placed the largest private jet order in history?

So which is it, sky falling or kicking ass and taking names?

No one that has 482 on the street is kicking ass and taking names...

 

[johnsonrod]

No one that has 482 on the street is kicking ass and taking names...

What percentage of the 482 have found other flying-related jobs? How many have found airline-related positions (e.g., JB, VA, Delta, Atlas, foreign, etc.)? Any estimates?

I realize the hiring market still sucks and many are probably still looking.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Well surely this order will lead to recalls eventually right? Who is going to fly them?

 

[gunfyter]

How could Netjets suddenly be a bad place to work?

It didn't. Its no different than it was before.... Unions and managements sometimes have points of disagreement.

Recalls? As far as we know these planes will replace fleets that get retired. Orders don't = recalls. SALES do!

 

[NachoMamma]

Ahem...

Count me as one fooled...

All the tea leaves were pointing in that direction (if you discount the Global at CMH a couple months ago!) and I'd have bet the farm they would have gone that way.

The same is true of larger Embraer products. Dead as a door nail.

Ah yes, one thing we can all count on is NJA PICs having the real inside scoop.

imacdog: apology accepted

 

[imacdog]

Hopw about this whopper: "NJA will not furlough". Spoken by many PICs. A broken clock is right twice a day, ya know.

 

[Hogprint]

I wouldn't discount NJA PIC views out of hand. They are privy to to certain info...how they interpret that info is another matter!

 

[G200_PILOT]

Well surely this order will lead to recalls eventually right? Who is going to fly them?

Any order you see now and in the future are mere replacement airplanes to the aging fleet we have. Every seat in those new airplanes will be filled by pilots being displaced from aircraft in fleet disposal or from open bids to all pilots presently on the seniority list. It will be nothing but a shuffle game for the next 5 years.