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Employees entitled to notice under WARN include hourly and salaried workers, as well as managerial and supervisory employees. Business partners are not entitled to notice.


What Triggers Notice

Plant Closing: A covered employer must give notice if an employment site (or one or more facilities or operating units within an employment site) will be shut down, and the shutdown will result in an employment loss (as defined later) for 50 or more employees during any 30-day period. This does not count employees who have worked less than 6 months in the last 12 months or employees who work an average of less than 20 hours a week for that employer. These latter groups, however, are entitled to notice (discussed later).

Mass Layoff: A covered employer must give notice if there is to be a mass layoff which does not result from a plant closing, but which will result in an employment loss at the employment site during any 30-day period for 500 or more employees, or for 50-499 employees if they make up at least 33% of the employer's active workforce. Again, this does not count employees who have worked less than 6 months in the last 12 months or employees who work an average of less than 20 hours a week for that employer. These latter groups, however, are entitled to notice (discussed later).

An employer also must give notice if the number of employment losses which occur during a 30-day period fails to meet the threshold requirements of a plant closing or mass layoff, but the number of employment losses for 2 or more groups of workers, each of which is less than the minimum number needed to trigger notice, reaches the threshold level, during any 90-day period, of either a plant closing or mass layoff. Job losses within any 90-day period will count together toward WARN threshold levels, unless the employer demonstrates that the employment losses during the 90-day period are the result of separate and distinct actions and causes.


http://www.doleta.gov/programs/factsht/warn.htm
 
The WARN Act is just a polite way of saying "you're out".

Back in the early 90's, Raytheon decided to "downsize". Hundreds, (yes, hundreds) of highly educated engineers were all called into an auditorium for a meeting. These were professionals, many with masters and doctors degrees. The doors were locked with dozens of uniformed, armed guards at the doors. After they were all terminated, everybody was led out the door single filed, to the parking lot. You could not even go to retrieve your car keys. The deal was you were to be notified when you could return to your office to pick up your personal items, at a later time. And, you were escorted to/from your office, and had to show to the person standing over you, exactly what you were taking. Just personal pictures, no pens, files, nothing.
Humiliating,, you bet.
Can it still be done today,, sure can.

There is very, very little loyalty on both sides of the table. Just the world we live in, I'm afraid.

Hung
 
least they don't burn your house down and run you out of town...which is where the term "fired" comes from...
 
Hell has frozen over, a strong union guy is giving credit to a strong anti-union guy. Pilot Yip, while optimistic to a fault, is a very personable guy that wants to see the people he has helped succeed. He pretty much was the hiring board at USA Jet, and he wrote a pilot policy handbook that set the standard for other on-demand companies. The power to enforce that handbook was sometimes limited, but, at no point do I think he was out to get anyone. I will always owe him a debt of gratitude for giving me the opportunities that were provided to me at USA Jet. We did not always see eye to eye, but I know that without him I would not have never flown a USA Jet Falcon. I'm fortunate too have had the opportunity to meet the people I did at USA Jet and get the training I did while at USA Jet.


That is right..... I recognize the guy... his actions are clear... while we might not agree on some issues... I am sure we agree on most....


So does that make me weaker? that I can function is the grey...?
 
Hi.

USA Jet shut down their Falcon program (and one of the Lears-maybe also the King Air) and terminated about 1/3 of the total employees in YIP, their non-governmental contract base and their HQ.

About 1/3 of the pilots were terminated, and they were not terminated according to the Pilot Policy Handbook (which can happen because there is no union and no contract-the company can change the rules at will).

cliff
YIP
 
no policy

Hi.

USA Jet shut down their Falcon program (and one of the Lears-maybe also the King Air) and terminated about 1/3 of the total employees in YIP, their non-governmental contract base and their HQ.

About 1/3 of the pilots were terminated, and they were not terminated according to the Pilot Policy Handbook (which can happen because there is no union and no contract-the company can change the rules at will).

cliff
YIP
I do not defend the way it was done, and I was not part of it, but there was no policy for equipment elimination, the exisiting policy was termination by senority in eqipment. In case you have not noticed, we have big problems, a union would have had little effect on the lay offs, in there might have been more of them.
 
He's probably trying to dig himself out of the damn hurricane that bulldozed half of the midwest yesterday.
 
I don't think we will be hearing as much out of Porky. The poster served his purpose, but it's all water under the bridge now.

You can't change the past people. I think Dennis Leary said it best, "Life Sucks, Get a Helmet." All the juicy rumors have been put out there for now....
 
Who starts a thread titled "In USA JETS defense" anyway? Oh yeah, pilotyip... WHY? Leave it alone. Do you just need something to type about?
 
Okay, I'm going to play devil's advocate. YIP has been at the company for a while, he sees it dwindling, and I am sure that is unsettling to him. When he came into the company it was just another freight company. I have interviewed at 2 other freight companies that operate Falcons and I have said thanks but no thanks to both. He sees the big picture and is proud of what he built. Just like the pilots that got put on the street hated to see it he is also hating see it evaporate. I think everyone deals with failure differently, and YIP has always been active on these boards, and he is proud of his past. One can only do so much.

I don't blame him for posting what he did, as he still gets a paycheck from the company. On another message board someone recently asked about loyalty to a company. If someone is writing you a paycheck I think that you should be loyal to that company, as they are being loyal to you. If they screw you over, you should approach the situation with a attitude that will help you in the future, and try to deal with the past. He has made a point with some people, and I agree with it, if you walk into another job interview with animosity it will work against you. Take a balanced approach, and try to move forward.

Again, devil's advocate.
 
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